Quote Originally Posted by thir View Post
Pain can be used even if you do not enjoy it in a spiritual way, to reach another level of awareness, or to set yourself free.

To do this you have to go over your own limits - some.
I agree with this. It used to be pretty typical to find floggers in the spiritual arsenal of priests, and it is sometimes still used in other traditions today.

Since many of us go into sub-space when in a scene, I think you can understand that kind of state. However, it needs to be directed during this type of thing. Meditation helps.