True Control

[Ozme52]

Absolutely, Oz. But it's a symbiosys. Ying and Yang. There has to be a balance and that balance is provided by, on the one hand the dominant, and on the other the submissive.

I never said otherwise. In fact, that's my point. It's not "just" the submissive who gives a gift, not "just" the submissive who says yes or no.

When there's dominance without voluntary submission (unless the submissive wants to be forced, but then again there's consent), you have tyranny.

Again, nothing I said would imply dominance without consent was my position.

Should the submissive take away it's will to submit, there's no more dominance, because there's no-one left to dominate.

JJ

Its will to submit? My my...

By the same token, if the dominant doesn't choose to accept the submissive's submission, where is your D/s relationship then. No where! That's why I dissent when I hear a sub-centric perspective of D/s.