Bush's Place in History.

[Belgarold]

From what I have witnessed it seems the Republicans have their own messiah complex. They worship Limbaugh. He who will not brook any dissenting opinions. He who is so UnAmerican that he wants the country to fail, the President to fail.

[mkemse]

From what I have witnessed it seems the Republicans have their own messiah complex. They worship Limbaugh. He who will not brook any dissenting opinions. He who is so UnAmerican that he wants the country to fail, the President to fail.

I believe but I could be wrong but Micheal Steele the Charman of the RNC Last Night told people to ignore Rush that he does not speak for the vast majority of Republicans and he is just expressing his view, but he did emphisise for peole to pay no attention to Rush and the Party will distance itself from him as they can
But Rush does love oxicondin

[wmrs2]

I believe but I could be wrong but Micheal Steele the Charman of the RNC Last Night told people to ignore Rush that he does not speak for the vast majority of Republicans and he is just expressing his view, but he did emphisise for peole to pay no attention to Rush and the Party will distance itself from him as they can
But Rush does love oxicondin

M. Steele apologized fo Rush this morning for the remarks he made. Mr.Steel was slow to catch on to the strategy of the liberal commentators who refuse to recognize "But if." Liberal commentators will never stop twisting the facts if they can keep the two parties divided. What Oboma is trying to do is include everybody in the government. Right now I believe that but the die hards will not let go of their criticisms of the past.

Every broad minded American knows that it is time to forget the past and look to the future. If the liberal press keeps smarting off about Bush, Rove, and Republican leaders, Rep will be forced to eventually fight back. Once we start fighting like before the election it can do no good for the country.

[mkemse]

M. Steele apologized fo Rush this morning for the remarks he made. Mr.Steel was slow to catch on to the strategy of the liberal commentators who refuse to recognize "But if." Liberal commentators will never stop twisting the facts if they can keep the two parties divided. What Oboma is trying to do is include everybody in the government. Right now I believe that but the die hards will not let go of their criticisms of the past.

Every broad minded American knows that it is time to forget the past and look to the future. If the liberal press keeps smarting off about Bush, Rove, and Republican leaders, Rep will be forced to eventually fight back. Once we start fighting like before the election it can do no good for the country.

I just located that apology which to me means the Rush LImbough runs the RNC not Steele, just my opinion but limbough also said he would rather commit Hari Kari then Run a Party in the sad shape the RNC is in right now, he woule stop being a Repubican if he was approached about the RNC
But I did see Micheal Stelles apology

[DuncanONeil]

I just located that apology which to me means the Rush LImbough runs the RNC not Steele, just my opinion but limbough also said he would rather commit Hari Kari then Run a Party in the sad shape the RNC is in right now, he woule stop being a Repubican if he was approached about the RNC
But I did see Micheal Stelles apology

Interesting! You say the apology is because Limbaugh runs the RNC. yet admit that he has said he would have nothing to do with the RNC. Yet you still believe that "Micheal Stelles apology" is proof to the contrary. Verrrrry interesting!

[Thorne]

Every broad minded American knows that it is time to forget the past and look to the future. If the liberal press keeps smarting off about Bush, Rove, and Republican leaders, Rep will be forced to eventually fight back. Once we start fighting like before the election it can do no good for the country.

Well put. But don't just condemn the "liberal press"; include the conservative media (Rush, et al) in your statement.

It's time to stop being liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat. It's time to start being Americans! Brothers and sisters united in defense of our country and our way of life. Find common ground in the middle of our belief systems and work from there. We are all seeking the same goals! Don't let corrupt politicians, over-paid industrialists, or loud-mouthed talk show hosts steal our heritage from us! Question everything, don't take anyone's word, search out the FACTS. Everyone in this forum (I presume) has a connection to the Internet. USE that to learn the truth, not just the propaganda.

[Belgarold]

Well put. But don't just condemn the "liberal press"; include the conservative media (Rush, et al) in your statement.

It's time to stop being liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat. It's time to start being Americans! Brothers and sisters united in defense of our country and our way of life. Find common ground in the middle of our belief systems and work from there. We are all seeking the same goals! Don't let corrupt politicians, over-paid industrialists, or loud-mouthed talk show hosts steal our heritage from us! Question everything, don't take anyone's word, search out the FACTS. Everyone in this forum (I presume) has a connection to the Internet. USE that to learn the truth, not just the propaganda.

Well-said Thorne. And until we can put aside the bickering and posturing we will get nowhere. Yes, Rush and his ilk, and that includes some on my side of the aisle as well, have an AGENDA and it is a personal agenda. Calculated to gain ratings and more power.

For instance, as I have said, I dont agree with you Thorne on every issue. But I believe you have the best interests of the country at heart. As I feel I do and the President. And until we can all join hands, even with those we don't agree with, we will not get out of this mess.

Anyway, thank you for your reasoned post.

[wmrs2]

Well put. But don't just condemn the "liberal press"; include the conservative media (Rush, et al) in your statement.

It's time to stop being liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat. It's time to start being Americans! Brothers and sisters united in defense of our country and our way of life. Find common ground in the middle of our belief systems and work from there. We are all seeking the same goals! Don't let corrupt politicians, over-paid industrialists, or loud-mouthed talk show hosts steal our heritage from us! Question everything, don't take anyone's word, search out the FACTS. Everyone in this forum (I presume) has a connection to the Internet. USE that to learn the truth, not just the propaganda.

I can buy that, although it is difficult to put the past behind us. It can be done.

[DuncanONeil]

Well put. But don't just condemn the "liberal press"; include the conservative media (Rush, et al) in your statement.

It's time to stop being liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat. It's time to start being Americans! Brothers and sisters united in defense of our country and our way of life. Find common ground in the middle of our belief systems and work from there. We are all seeking the same goals! Don't let corrupt politicians, over-paid industrialists, or loud-mouthed talk show hosts steal our heritage from us! Question everything, don't take anyone's word, search out the FACTS. Everyone in this forum (I presume) has a connection to the Internet. USE that to learn the truth, not just the propaganda.

Some of what you said bothers me a very basic level, but I will let that slide.
I have found a number of people across various forums that even when presented with factual information simply refuse to consider that information. How would you propose to get them to consider the information?

[Thorne]

I have found a number of people across various forums that even when presented with factual information simply refuse to consider that information. How would you propose to get them to consider the information?

That doesn't surprise me at all. As I said in an earlier post, "Except they are not undecided! They decided months, years, decades ago that they were Republicans or Democrats and they will fight tooth and nail against anyone who tries to gainsay them. Facts mean nothing, statistics mean nothing, legality or illegality mean nothing."

There is absolutely nothing you can do or say to change the minds of this type of fanatic. And they exist everywhere, in every political party, in every religion, in every country. There is always, and will always be, a certain type of person who knows beyond any doubt that his point of view is the only right one. Beating him over the head with the truth or with facts only makes him condemn you for your brutality. This is the kind of person who will don a white sheet and kidnap, torture and kill innocent people simply because of their color. This is the kind of person who will kill dozens of innocent people simply because they happen to work at an abortion clinic. This is the kind of person who flies planes loaded with civilians into buildings. Whether you label them as terrorists, fanatics, patriots or "dittoheads," their hatred and anger towards anything which opposes them marks them as ignorant and dangerous.

[wmrs2]

That doesn't surprise me at all. As I said in an earlier post, "Except they are not undecided! They decided months, years, decades ago that they were Republicans or Democrats and they will fight tooth and nail against anyone who tries to gainsay them. Facts mean nothing, statistics mean nothing, legality or illegality mean nothing."

There is absolutely nothing you can do or say to change the minds of this type of fanatic. And they exist everywhere, in every political party, in every religion, in every country. There is always, and will always be, a certain type of person who knows beyond any doubt that his point of view is the only right one. Beating him over the head with the truth or with facts only makes him condemn you for your brutality. This is the kind of person who will don a white sheet and kidnap, torture and kill innocent people simply because of their color. This is the kind of person who will kill dozens of innocent people simply because they happen to work at an abortion clinic. This is the kind of person who flies planes loaded with civilians into buildings. Whether you label them as terrorists, fanatics, patriots or "dittoheads," their hatred and anger towards anything which opposes them marks them as ignorant and dangerous.

Brother, I am glad that we are not like that. People who act like they know what they believe should be shot. I am glad to get that off my chest. That's what Rush does too when he points out dittoheads; he agrees with us. He does not tolerate people who think they know what they believe either.

[wmrs2]

That doesn't surprise me at all. As I said in an earlier post, "Except they are not undecided! They decided months, years, decades ago that they were Republicans or Democrats and they will fight tooth and nail against anyone who tries to gainsay them. Facts mean nothing, statistics mean nothing, legality or illegality mean nothing."

There is absolutely nothing you can do or say to change the minds of this type of fanatic. And they exist everywhere, in every political party, in every religion, in every country. There is always, and will always be, a certain type of person who knows beyond any doubt that his point of view is the only right one. Beating him over the head with the truth or with facts only makes him condemn you for your brutality. This is the kind of person who will don a white sheet and kidnap, torture and kill innocent people simply because of their color. This is the kind of person who will kill dozens of innocent people simply because they happen to work at an abortion clinic. This is the kind of person who flies planes loaded with civilians into buildings. Whether you label them as terrorists, fanatics, patriots or "dittoheads," their hatred and anger towards anything which opposes them marks them as ignorant and dangerous.

Pardon me please but I just can not let this go. You don't really think that Rush would done a white sheet, kidnap, torture and kill innocent people do you? You are exaggerating to make a point, are you not? I don't see a mass of conservatives or liberals, who are firmly trenched in their beliefs flying plains into anything. It is just human nature, a carnal nature, to dislike people who disagree with us and I don,t like those people who are enlightened like us either. I just think God that I am not like other men. The thing that bothers me is that other men think God that I am not like them either. I am not going to get upset about it. What do those dumb bastards know anyway?

[DuncanONeil]

"Once we start fighting like before the election it can do no good for the country."

But you think random throwing of vast sums of money in all kinds of random directions IS good for the country?

[wmrs2]

"Once we start fighting like before the election it can do no good for the country."

But you think random throwing of vast sums of money in all kinds of random directions IS good for the country?

Hell no! Continue please, you are doing great.

[wmrs2]

From what I have witnessed it seems the Republicans have their own messiah complex. They worship Limbaugh. He who will not brook any dissenting opinions. He who is so UnAmerican that he wants the country to fail, the President to fail.

Don't bite on that worm. Commentators live to get you upset. Limbaugh gets a kick out of making Dems and Liberals go off half cocked accusing people of being UnAmerican and judgmental. You play into his hands with such responses, he makes money off your anger and is motivated to say more to incite you.

Let us try to be bigger than both the rhetoric of the liberal and conservative commentators. They probably call each other tonight to plan their next argument to upset as many people as they can. I wish I could make money off everybody's anger like they do. Look, point out the facts and leave it at that.

[mkemse]

Don't bite on that worm. Commentators live to get you upset. Limbaugh gets a kick out of making Dems and Liberals go off half cocked accusing people of being UnAmerican and judgmental. You play into his hands with such responses, he makes money off your anger and is motivated to say more to incite you.

Let us try to be bigger than both the rhetoric of the liberal and conservative commentators. They probably call each other tonight to plan their next argument to upset as many people as they can. I wish I could make money off everybody's anger like they do. Look, point out the facts and leave it at that.

Yes we are I agree let's all live together as 1

[wmrs2]

Yes we are I agree let's all live together as 1

Great! All Bush haters, all Rush haters, all liberal press haters, all broad minded Rep. and Dems, we finally love each other. I hope this last but, the question is, who will be first among us to break the unity. Not me. Fight the temptation, please.

[DuncanONeil]

"he makes money off your anger and is motivated to say more to incite you."

Limbaugh does not make money off anyone's anger, he makes it by people listening.

[wmrs2]

"he makes money off your anger and is motivated to say more to incite you."

Limbaugh does not make money off anyone's anger, he makes it by people listening.

I know, you are correct. I was trying to point out that being angry over truthful statements does not help get the opposing idea across. Most people who criticize Rush never listen to him. I may be a little sadistic here,but it gives me rush (pun intended) when liberals flip their lid over Rush.

[DuncanONeil]

From what I have witnessed it seems the Republicans have their own messiah complex. They worship Limbaugh. He who will not brook any dissenting opinions. He who is so UnAmerican that he wants the country to fail, the President to fail.

Again you are incorrect. There is no worship of Limbaugh among his listeners. Being correct, succinct, and entertaining does not make one a messiah. To revere a person as a messiah requires a certain amount of faith. A faith that overlooks anything that could lessen the reverence for the figure.

Unlike many main stream outlets dissension is welcomed by Limbaugh. But that does not mean that he will not attempt to show that person where they may be mistaken. In fact Limbaugh will move a self described liberal to the head of the queue.

I have a question, have you spent any time listening to the Limbaugh show? Or are you relying on reports of what he has said? Be careful with the answer, there may be a test.

[Belgarold]

Again you are incorrect. There is no worship of Limbaugh among his listeners. Being correct, succinct, and entertaining does not make one a messiah. To revere a person as a messiah requires a certain amount of faith. A faith that overlooks anything that could lessen the reverence for the figure.

Unlike many main stream outlets dissension is welcomed by Limbaugh. But that does not mean that he will not attempt to show that person where they may be mistaken. In fact Limbaugh will move a self described liberal to the head of the queue.

I have a question, have you spent any time listening to the Limbaugh show? Or are you relying on reports of what he has said? Be careful with the answer, there may be a test.

As a matter of fact I have. I go by the adage "know your enemy." I listen to O'Reilly spin as well. Limbaugh, to gain ratings, is angry, spewing lies and half-truths, racism, inciting violence. He is a hate-monger and power-hungry opportunist.

Do YOU listen to anyone but Fox News or the conservative controlled media?

And I am still waiting for any real facts that support your position. THAT is my test.