Climategate

[DuncanONeil]

There is no cap and trade on SO2. Were there it would have been used to support CO2 cap and trade!
It is clear that the planet has gone through cycles like this before and that such cycles could not have been caused as Goreites believe by little ole us. Also there is no real compelling evidence that we are the cause either. In this decade it was reported that an error had been made and the hottest year on record was 1934. Yet now the data for this decade does nothing but increase each year, defying the logic of natural events. And in contrast to the actual temperatures that have been declining. Cows pump millions of tons of chemicals into the atmosphere, as do trees. In fact every living thing adds its share toi the environment. Who are we to claim that intimate knowledge of such an organism is ours to know, when we do not even know all the parts of said organism!

A couple of things; first, the "this is all natural" thing is wishful thinking. There's absolutely no evidence that this is the case.

Second, it doesn't strike me as extremely rational to believe that we can pump literally millions of tons of chemicals into the atmosphere and think that nothing will happen.

On cap and trade, we already do it for sulphur dioxide to control acid rain. It works, it hasn't driven anyone out of business, and it hasn't made any nation any poorer. If anything, it helps generate wealth by creating a new markets complete with new technologies. This isn't some wildly speculative economic/environmental theory, it's a tested method that's shown real world results.

[Wiscoman]

There is no cap and trade on SO2. Were there it would have been used to support CO2 cap and trade!...

Sorry, but that's bullshit.

http://www.epa.gov/captrade/

[DuncanONeil]

Bit harsh don't you think?

It does appear that you are correct. But I wonder, with the effects of acid rain so obvious and the disagreement in the issue at hand.
Add to that the proposals for CO2 cap and trade may not be of the smae nature as what was laid out in the previous plan.
Think I might need additional research. But the threat laid out by the President about controlling CO2 makes me worry more!

Sorry, but that's bullshit.

http://www.epa.gov/captrade/

[Wiscoman]

Bit harsh don't you think?

Actually, the word I'd use is "accurate."

[DuncanONeil]

Actually, the word I'd use is "accurate."

"Sorry, but that's bullshit."
You think that does not qualify as harsh?!