Duncan, Wiscoman, you have lost me a little in your deep arguement, and i am just avarage man on the street when it comes to politics. These caps on CO2 emission, just who is going to police the results in ten years or twenty years time, and if they are incorrect, what is going to happen to the defaulting country? China have just been given freedom to do as they please, so what is the point of it all. Say America, The UK and Europe agree on a cap, are we supposed to compensate for the developing countries. It is no good being rough handed with them, because their reply will be, we never stopped you developing 60 years ago, so keep out of our business. We shouldn't have to pay billions of $/£ to developing countries, and then sit back for ten years and pay them more, and all the time watching them get no further forward. China's emisions must be great at the moment, and so to is the old Soviet Union states, Copenhagen was just pissing into the wind, and it was a non starter, because the rich countries have promised a shit load of money to these developing countries and are still no further forward. If the bigest poluter at the moment is unwilling to sign up, then the confrence was a failure, and dont think the Chinese will change their mind in six months or six years, because that Copenhagen confrence was water of a ducks back to them.