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[IAN 2411]

Duncan, Wiscoman, you have lost me a little in your deep arguement, and i am just avarage man on the street when it comes to politics. These caps on CO2 emission, just who is going to police the results in ten years or twenty years time, and if they are incorrect, what is going to happen to the defaulting country? China have just been given freedom to do as they please, so what is the point of it all. Say America, The UK and Europe agree on a cap, are we supposed to compensate for the developing countries. It is no good being rough handed with them, because their reply will be, we never stopped you developing 60 years ago, so keep out of our business. We shouldn't have to pay billions of $/£ to developing countries, and then sit back for ten years and pay them more, and all the time watching them get no further forward. China's emisions must be great at the moment, and so to is the old Soviet Union states, Copenhagen was just pissing into the wind, and it was a non starter, because the rich countries have promised a shit load of money to these developing countries and are still no further forward. If the bigest poluter at the moment is unwilling to sign up, then the confrence was a failure, and dont think the Chinese will change their mind in six months or six years, because that Copenhagen confrence was water of a ducks back to them.

[Wiscoman]

These caps on CO2 emission, just who is going to police the results in ten years or twenty years time, and if they are incorrect, what is going to happen to the defaulting country?

I'm not happy with Copenhagen either. But basically, what you're saying is that if you're on a sinking ship and one person refuses to bail, no one should bail and everyone should go down. Obviously, I disagree.

[DuncanONeil]

I'm not happy with Copenhagen either. But basically, what you're saying is that if you're on a sinking ship and one person refuses to bail, no one should bail and everyone should go down. Obviously, I disagree.

So if you are on a ship and the word is there is a 30 foot hole up front and we all need to bail to help the pumps. But George saw a 30 inch hole, well within the capabilities of the pumps, everyone must still bail?

[DuncanONeil]

Duncan, Wiscoman, you have lost me a little in your deep arguement, and i am just avarage man on the street when it comes to politics. These caps on CO2 emission, just who is going to police the results in ten years or twenty years time, and if they are incorrect, what is going to happen to the defaulting country?

The plan is for there to be an extra-national body that will have the power to regulate.

China have just been given freedom to do as they please, so what is the point of it all.

China was not really given a free hand. They agreed, but refused to allow external verification. Retaining the ability to report themselves how well they are doing.

The UK and Europe agree on a cap, are we supposed to compensate for the developing countries.

The whole plan is for the "rich" countries to pay the "poor" countries for having ruined their air over the years. Here is a bit of info on UK and Europe. They signed on to Kyoto and yet after some ten years their CO2 emissions are actually higher than before. Yet the US without signing on to Kyoto has continued to reduce CO2 emissions

If the bigest poluter at the moment is unwilling to sign up, then the confrence was a failure, and dont think the Chinese will change their mind in six months or six years, because that Copenhagen confrence was water of a ducks back to them.

By this I presume you mean China, as I said above they desire to control the data reported.