Quote Originally Posted by SadisticNature View Post
I think the idea that health care is not a right is unique to those countries without universal medicare. Ask almost any Canadian including the vast majority of Conservatives up here and they see it as a right. This is the same in Britain and France where public systems are prevalent.

If the majority of Americans do not see public health care as a basic right then public health-care will likely fail. The current senate bill is so weak I think they'd be better off blocking it and trying again.

As for drug costs in Canada its not that the prices are regulated, its that the government can negotiate for the medications in massive quantities. If every American in the state of California was on the same drug plan and the insurance company running said plan went to the pharmaceutical companies to get a bulk rate negotiated on medications, prices would fall dramatically. The American system is made up of so many tiny pieces, none of which could get good deals and as such costs skyrocket.

My question for conservatives in the states is:

How does it make sense to tax the middle class so heavily they can't pay for health care and then leave them without medical care when they get sick in order to pay for things like Corporate Bailouts (Auto, Banking, etc..) and Foreign Wars (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc..)?

Social Security, Welfare and other such programs are a tiny amount of spending compared to wars and bailouts.
I'm not disputing how Canadians and any other country with Universal Healthcare view it. In AMERICA, healthcare is NOT A RIGHT. As per our Constitution, rights are bestowed upon us by God, NOT by the government. I personally do not care how successful and/or horrid Universal Healthcare might be for countries that have it. What I feel and what I am saying is that in America, it is not a right and is unconstitutional for the government to be involved with.

Oh, and by the way, I am "middle class" and have no problem with my healthcare (and I pay for it myself, it's not an employee benefit). In America, NO ONE can be denied medical care. All you need to do is go to a county run hospital and they have to treat you, no matter what. I know, I've done it myself when I was homeless...once upon a time.