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    Erroneous

    The constitution doesn't mention health care at all. This doesn't make dealing with health care unconstitutional. Something is unconstitutional if it is done in violation of the constitution. Plenty of legal things in the US are done by government that are not mentioned in the constitution.

    Regarding the Economics textbook I refer you to:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_federal_budget

    In particular note that by calling wars "Special Appropriations" their cost is not listed in the budget entirely. With special appropriations actually included military spending skyrockets.

    Even without the special appropriations the following is a breakdown of expenses related to the military:

    1. 481.4 Billion in DoD non appropriated spending
    2. 145.2 Billion in War on Terror non appropriated spending
    3. 39.4 Billion for Veterans Affairs
    4. 34.3 Billion for Homeland Security

    Social Security costs:

    608 Billion which is more than paid for by Social Security Deductions (927.2 Billion).
    386 Billion is spent on Medicare
    209 Billion on Medicaid and SCHIP.
    324 Billion on all Welfare, EI and other such programs.

    The total is approximately 1.5 Trillion (as interest in national debt is not social security and shouldn't be included in this line item).

    In comparison the government debt at the end of 2007 is 5.04 trillion en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_federal_budget

    While the projected government debt at the end of 2008 is 10.8 trillion. As the deficit of declared items was approximately 240 billion dollars or approximately 0.25 trillion (rounded up for convenience), the total special appropriations is:

    10.8 -0.25 -5.04 = 5.51 Trillion Dollars. A number which radically dwarfs
    social security spending. The vast majority of this are the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

    There is a point to be made that the entirety of federal level social programs is not as insignificant as I claimed, but trying to argue that military spending is only 4% of actual spending is rather erroneous.

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    I would like to not respond as I can see there's no getting through to you, but since you made such a lengthy post, I don't want people to get the impression that all your numbers add up to anything.

    Therefore I will post using your own sources now:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_spending

    4.8% on defense.. my bad.

    And if I may quote your source:
    Figures shown in this article do not reflect the actual appropriations by Congress for Fiscal Year 2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by SadisticNature View Post
    The constitution doesn't mention health care at all. This doesn't make dealing with health care unconstitutional. Something is unconstitutional if it is done in violation of the constitution.
    You obviously do not understand the Constitution. The very fact that the Constitution does not mention health care is prima facie evidence that the Government involvement in this so called health care issue is unconstitutional!

    As for the attempt to prove your point about Government expentitures, your numbers are plainly wrong-headed. I, however, do not have enough time to formulate the facts for you presently.

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