Any other atheists here? Some frustration

[Thorne]

My point isn't that you should believe in god. My point is you can't argue its irrational to believe in a conjecture (God) unless you have strong evidence of its falsity, which by many peoples standards you do not.

And my point is that there is ample evidence for the falsity of gods, enough to satisy me and many others, while there is no evidence for the existence of those gods.

And some people, the very religious, would not be swayed by any evidence whatsoever. Even if I could prove, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that God does not exist, those people would deny the proofs, call it Satan's work and, if they had their way, hang me from the nearest tree. The depth of their faith is not a testament to the truth of their beliefs, only to their own ignorance.

[DuncanONeil]

And my point is that there is ample evidence for the falsity of gods, enough to satisy me and many others, while there is no evidence for the existence of those gods.

Clearly that ample evidence is moderated by the fact that it is sufficient for you. But that places you in a very exhalted position of having been able to prove the negative! Your ample evidence of the "falsity of gods" is precisely as ample as the evidence proving the truth of gods. Although most people really only accept the premise that there is only one God.

And some people, the very religious, would not be swayed by any evidence whatsoever. Even if I could prove, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that God does not exist, those people would deny the proofs, call it Satan's work and, if they had their way, hang me from the nearest tree. The depth of their faith is not a testament to the truth of their beliefs, only to their own ignorance.

Your comments here expose a serious bias in your beliefs. Again you propose proving that something is not. On what kind of basis can you ever hope to accomplish such a feat? It is an axiom that we are incapable of proving a clear negative.

[Thorne]

Clearly that ample evidence is moderated by the fact that it is sufficient for you. But that places you in a very exhalted position of having been able to prove the negative! Your ample evidence of the "falsity of gods" is precisely as ample as the evidence proving the truth of gods. Although most people really only accept the premise that there is only one God.

To clarify this, the evidence which is sufficient for me is thousands of years of lack of evidence for gods. Evidence of the falsity of gods is contradictions and outright fabrications in the testaments for those gods. But these are the gods which have been defined by religions, not the possibility of unknown gods.

Your comments here expose a serious bias in your beliefs. Again you propose proving that something is not. On what kind of basis can you ever hope to accomplish such a feat? It is an axiom that we are incapable of proving a clear negative.

No, I said IF I could prove the negative, not that I could. My point is that some people would not believe ANY amount of evidence which contradicts their preconceived notions. 9/11 "truthers" discard all engineering and scientific evidence and insist that 9/11 was a government plot; "Birthers" deny all evidence and insist that Obama was born in Africa. "Creationsists" deny all geological evidence and declare the world to be 6000 years old. No amount of evidence to the contrary will sway these whack-jobs. And god believers are no less intransigent.

[DuncanONeil]

You mean like the folks that dismiss all contrary evidence of an impending global man made disaster that is variously going to; drown us, starve us, or subject us to harmful weather?

The groups you cite are each an exceedingly small minority.

Oh yes then there are the liberals that and their refusal to deal with truth, against their ideas or people and for their opponents ideas or people.

No, I said IF I could prove the negative, not that I could. My point is that some people would not believe ANY amount of evidence which contradicts their preconceived notions. 9/11 "truthers" discard all engineering and scientific evidence and insist that 9/11 was a government plot; "Birthers" deny all evidence and insist that Obama was born in Africa. "Creationsists" deny all geological evidence and declare the world to be 6000 years old. No amount of evidence to the contrary will sway these whack-jobs. And god believers are no less intransigent.

[Thorne]

You mean like the folks that dismiss all contrary evidence of an impending global man made disaster that is variously going to; drown us, starve us, or subject us to harmful weather?

The groups you cite are each an exceedingly small minority.

Oh yes then there are the liberals that and their refusal to deal with truth, against their ideas or people and for their opponents ideas or people.

Yes, there are fanatics on both sides of these arguments. There are those who will scream bloody murder about global warming even IF evidence were to show them wrong, and there are just as fanatical denialists who will deny global warming, even IF the evidence proves them wrong.
And let's not leave out the conservatives who will fight doing what's right for people just because it's not what they believe. There are idiots on both sides of every issue.