Do people 'deserve' universal health care?

[DuncanONeil]

I think the idea that health care is not a right is unique to those countries without universal medicare. Ask almost any Canadian including the vast majority of Conservatives up here and they see it as a right. This is the same in Britain and France where public systems are prevalent.

Those in the US are granted an inalienable right to life. That being the case no one in the US can, even pre-Obama, can be denied medical care.

If the majority of Americans do not see public health care as a basic right then public health-care will likely fail. The current senate bill is so weak I think they'd be better off blocking it and trying again.

Public health care should fail. The public health care bills in the US are not about health care. They are an unconstitutional intrusion into the private life. The current Senate bill is not the least about health care it is about control, and control only! It is also something the proponents are lying about, some because they do not know and others to hide things.

As for drug costs in Canada its not that the prices are regulated, its that the government can negotiate for the medications in massive quantities. If every American in the state of California was on the same drug plan and the insurance company running said plan went to the pharmaceutical companies to get a bulk rate negotiated on medications, prices would fall dramatically. The American system is made up of so many tiny pieces, none of which could get good deals and as such costs skyrocket.

There are 1700 insurance providers in the US. Yet they can not all compete against each other. How is adding one company supposed to provide competition, especially when that new company has unfair advantages? Then there is the requirement that all "qualified" providers be in the Exchange. The Government will tell them what they must cover and how much they can charge for their product. This does nothing to control costs.

My question for conservatives in the states is:

How does it make sense to tax the middle class so heavily they can't pay for health care and then leave them without medical care when they get sick in order to pay for things like Corporate Bailouts (Auto, Banking, etc..) and Foreign Wars (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc..)?

That is why the people actually do want reform, but reform that accomplishes something. There are all kinds of things that can be done to make changes that will lower health costs. yet none of them are being considered.

Social Security, Welfare and other such programs are a tiny amount of spending compared to wars and bailouts.

The Social programs in the budget take up by far the largets part of the budget. Wars and bailouts are not part of the budget process!