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steelish Climategate 12-18-2009, 12:02 PM
Thorne I used to think this way,... 12-18-2009, 12:46 PM
steelish What's the evidence? Forgive... 12-18-2009, 01:41 PM
Thorne The evidence is there, in... 12-18-2009, 02:40 PM
steelish like this... 12-18-2009, 02:54 PM
DuncanONeil And all of the scenarios... 12-19-2009, 09:11 PM
Seroquel When the worst case scenario... 12-19-2009, 09:14 PM
Lion This thread sounds like the... 12-19-2009, 09:22 PM
DuncanONeil That is not even on the... 12-19-2009, 10:35 PM
Ultraprene The evidence for climate... 02-28-2011, 11:26 AM
Thorne Only if you can't admit that... 02-28-2011, 01:13 PM
Wiscoman A couple of things; first,... 12-18-2009, 12:56 PM
steelish I never said "this is all... 12-18-2009, 02:11 PM
Wiscoman And I said there was... 12-18-2009, 04:52 PM
SadisticNature Both Sides rather Naive 12-18-2009, 05:16 PM
steelish lol. No, that's proof... 12-19-2009, 06:09 AM
Lion lol 12-19-2009, 08:43 AM
DuncanONeil As there is no PROOF to your... 12-19-2009, 09:33 PM
Midnytedreams That is not "proof-positive"... 12-19-2009, 09:40 PM
DuncanONeil There is no cap and trade on... 12-19-2009, 09:21 PM
Wiscoman Sorry, but that's bullshit. ... 12-19-2009, 11:40 PM
DuncanONeil Bit harsh don't you think? ... 12-19-2009, 11:48 PM
Ozme52 I agree steelish... the... 12-18-2009, 03:42 PM
VaAugusta Maybe it is natural for the... 12-18-2009, 04:32 PM
DuncanONeil And what do we do when the... 12-19-2009, 09:27 PM
Lion What does CO2 reductions have... 12-19-2009, 09:31 PM
DuncanONeil Getting off foreign oil? ... 12-19-2009, 09:24 PM
Ozme52 Do we need to? ;) Switch... 12-19-2009, 09:41 PM
DuncanONeil You have some interesting... 12-19-2009, 10:46 PM
Lion I'm in the Climate change is... 12-18-2009, 05:04 PM
DuncanONeil You pick on Hong Kong as an... 12-19-2009, 09:38 PM
Lion Can you elaborate please? I... 12-19-2009, 09:42 PM
DuncanONeil I heard a presentation by an... 12-19-2009, 10:50 PM
IAN 2411 I saw a National Geographic... 12-18-2009, 05:12 PM
IAN 2411 Wiscoman, with respect read... 12-19-2009, 03:54 PM
Wiscoman Ian, I've got to ask the most... 12-19-2009, 04:10 PM
DuncanONeil Actually you are arguing... 12-19-2009, 10:30 PM
Seroquel The best thing to do is to... 12-19-2009, 08:35 PM
DuncanONeil Question! What is the use of... 12-19-2009, 10:31 PM
Midnytedreams As I said before follow the... 12-19-2009, 09:01 PM
DuncanONeil Copenhagen is an Obama style... 12-19-2009, 10:33 PM
Midnytedreams Guess who is the primary... 12-19-2009, 09:04 PM
DuncanONeil Well! This is a volatile... 12-19-2009, 09:08 PM
Ozme52 My point exactly. If not for... 12-19-2009, 09:24 PM
Thorne There is no "right"... 12-20-2009, 06:22 AM
DuncanONeil Your response is a tautology!... 12-25-2009, 01:43 PM
Ozme52 Whoever claimed "we all die"... 12-19-2009, 09:23 PM
DuncanONeil But such a diversion is... 12-19-2009, 10:36 PM
Midnytedreams A reason the summit... 12-19-2009, 09:23 PM
Lion You 'mericans do you y'all... 12-19-2009, 09:42 PM
DuncanONeil Four of the top five sources... 12-19-2009, 10:51 PM
Midnytedreams Duncan it is called a debate... 12-19-2009, 09:59 PM
DuncanONeil Which post? 12-19-2009, 10:52 PM
IAN 2411 Duncan, Wiscoman, you have... 12-20-2009, 01:17 AM
Wiscoman I'm not happy with Copenhagen... 12-20-2009, 09:09 AM
DuncanONeil So if you are on a ship and... 12-25-2009, 02:06 PM
DuncanONeil The plan is for there to be... 12-25-2009, 01:39 PM
denuseri I told ya the "Sun" has more... 12-20-2009, 08:16 AM
DuncanONeil The reason that the "hacking"... 12-25-2009, 02:04 PM
steelish My issue is that it is almost... 12-20-2009, 10:37 AM
Wiscoman How is regulating industry... 12-20-2009, 12:20 PM
DuncanONeil Regulating CO2 emissions is... 12-25-2009, 02:15 PM
steelish Define "threat" the EXACT... 12-27-2009, 06:31 AM
DuncanONeil And at the same time we are... 12-27-2009, 06:57 AM
Ozme52 Here's the perfect article: ... 12-22-2009, 08:37 AM
SadisticNature Easy solution 12-22-2009, 09:57 AM
TantricSoul As the friendly neighborhood... 01-06-2010, 09:04 AM
leo9 I've stayed out of this... 01-06-2010, 02:13 PM
DuncanONeil I'd be willing to respond but... 01-07-2010, 10:11 AM
leo9 My point exactly. There was... 01-10-2010, 02:02 AM
DuncanONeil "(Y)ear after year the things... 01-10-2010, 02:29 PM
steelish No one claimed the data is... 01-07-2010, 10:35 AM
DuncanONeil Do not forget that that... 01-09-2010, 05:08 PM
leo9 On the contrary, many people... 01-10-2010, 01:40 AM
Thorne The Earth's internal heat is... 01-10-2010, 06:05 AM
leo9 I didn't say it is, and I... 01-10-2010, 07:17 AM
DuncanONeil Sorry but Gore did say that,... 01-10-2010, 02:32 PM
Thorne I beg to differ, but you did... 01-10-2010, 03:18 PM
DuncanONeil Not according to Gore who has... 01-10-2010, 02:30 PM
steelish I meant, no one in this... 01-10-2010, 01:21 PM
leo9 No, you're right, Duncan said... 01-10-2010, 02:38 PM
DuncanONeil I believe I did say the guys... 01-10-2010, 02:52 PM
steelish I must have completely missed... 01-12-2010, 03:33 AM
skp2bear In Houston this morning at... 01-07-2010, 10:42 AM
steelish Ah, but have no doubt...the... 01-07-2010, 10:44 AM
DuncanONeil That is one of the reasons... 01-09-2010, 05:10 PM
IAN 2411 Quote: Originally Posted by... 01-10-2010, 07:48 AM
leo9 Scientists make mistakes. ... 01-10-2010, 08:48 AM
DuncanONeil Do you even understand what a... 01-10-2010, 02:50 PM
Thorne [QUOTE=DuncanONeil;835804]... 01-10-2010, 03:26 PM
DuncanONeil "I believe it was me that... 01-10-2010, 02:33 PM
DuncanONeil "no one wants to believe... 01-10-2010, 02:39 PM
leo9 Reason to worry seriously 01-14-2010, 01:43 PM
steelish I hear the end of life as we... 01-14-2010, 03:20 PM
leo9 So far as the economy and my... 01-14-2010, 06:43 PM
steelish You do realize I was being... 01-15-2010, 10:21 AM
leo9 :) Yeah, but I already had... 01-15-2010, 02:21 PM
denuseri So all this el nino stuff has... 01-14-2010, 04:00 PM
leo9 This is true. Like the bad... 01-14-2010, 06:56 PM
DuncanONeil It appears now the the prime... 02-15-2010, 12:39 PM
leo9 Whilst I do take your point... 02-15-2010, 02:10 PM
DuncanONeil From an interview with the... 02-15-2010, 04:16 PM
DuncanONeil I take it you missed the... 01-16-2010, 01:30 PM
Thorne Space isn't the issue. Food... 01-16-2010, 09:22 PM
DuncanONeil Since we would not need so... 01-17-2010, 01:48 PM
steelish lol 01-16-2010, 08:45 AM
denuseri And this would reduce the... 01-16-2010, 05:58 PM
DuncanONeil Well many people would have... 01-17-2010, 01:44 PM
denuseri Is it? Just becuase Europe... 01-17-2010, 02:11 PM
leo9 You do realise that you have... 02-02-2010, 04:57 PM
denuseri None of the above Leo, it is... 02-06-2010, 04:19 PM
leo9 Climate cycles are on a... 02-06-2010, 04:59 PM
steelish Oh my... 02-15-2010, 05:10 PM
steelish For those of you who did not... 02-16-2010, 03:30 AM
leo9 And this shows just how wrong... 02-17-2010, 02:38 PM
DuncanONeil I did read the text of the... 02-21-2010, 09:38 AM
denuseri I have no problem with... 02-16-2010, 10:18 AM
steelish On all of this, I agree... 02-16-2010, 10:55 AM
DuncanONeil Cap and trade is a very bad... 02-17-2010, 09:57 AM
steelish exactly 02-17-2010, 10:00 AM
symphony I beg to differ!! Top... 02-17-2010, 06:52 AM
DuncanONeil Please read message #194 &... 02-17-2010, 09:58 AM
steelish And my point is...in the US... 02-17-2010, 11:19 AM
leo9 Except for the Murdoch... 02-18-2010, 02:41 PM
DuncanONeil Did not quite realize how... 02-21-2010, 09:45 AM
DuncanONeil And I think the ratio is not... 02-21-2010, 09:18 AM
steelish Maybe in the UK the news... 02-17-2010, 09:26 AM
steelish Here... 02-17-2010, 09:59 AM
symphony i did read them, thats why i... 02-17-2010, 10:11 AM
DuncanONeil When even the Guru of AGW... 02-21-2010, 09:16 AM
steelish The actual text (which I did... 02-18-2010, 03:27 AM
leo9 Interesting, thanks for... 02-18-2010, 02:37 PM
steelish in 1860 there were no... 02-18-2010, 08:05 PM
denuseri Thats becuase there is... 02-18-2010, 03:18 PM
MMI The Industrial Revolution in... 02-19-2010, 04:45 AM
Thorne While that would have had... 02-19-2010, 06:26 AM
DuncanONeil Then how do you account for... 02-21-2010, 09:51 AM
MMI Yeah. I think you're right.... 02-19-2010, 06:47 AM
denuseri Burning fires of allmost any... 02-19-2010, 01:16 PM
DuncanONeil I do not always agree with... 02-21-2010, 09:57 AM
steelish Don't forget that those... 02-19-2010, 04:56 PM
denuseri All while the glaciers have... 02-19-2010, 09:45 PM
DuncanONeil However those very glaciers... 02-21-2010, 09:59 AM
steelish Actually, there is evidence... 02-20-2010, 03:22 AM
steelish Another thing to... 02-20-2010, 03:34 AM
denuseri Again, the glaciers are not... 02-20-2010, 10:00 AM
DuncanONeil "Again, the glaciers are not... 02-21-2010, 10:04 AM
steelish It's funny how much "Big Oil"... 02-20-2010, 08:04 PM
denuseri Corn ethanol is hardely a... 02-20-2010, 08:40 PM
DuncanONeil The data does not support the... 02-21-2010, 10:06 AM
steelish No...it's not. But the... 02-21-2010, 01:55 PM
DuncanONeil I live in Wisconsin. When... 02-21-2010, 03:22 PM
denuseri What data? I see no data to... 02-21-2010, 11:54 AM
DuncanONeil Oil company profits: A... 02-21-2010, 03:18 PM
denuseri I agree that the governemnts... 02-21-2010, 02:06 PM
DuncanONeil Ain't gonna happen! ... 02-21-2010, 03:24 PM
steelish I agree with... 02-22-2010, 03:34 AM
oww-that-hurt glaciers 02-22-2010, 09:19 AM
steelish No doubt that glaciers... 02-22-2010, 09:29 AM
DuncanONeil The glaciers have retreated... 02-22-2010, 02:48 PM
steelish Further explanation to the... 02-21-2010, 03:57 PM
steelish Not to mention this... 02-22-2010, 09:31 AM
oww-that-hurt interesting reading 02-22-2010, 01:12 PM
steelish Glaciers where? Glacier's... 02-23-2010, 03:41 AM
DuncanONeil Am currently reviewing... 02-23-2010, 09:33 AM
DuncanONeil When the information about... 02-22-2010, 02:51 PM
steelish Of course not. Those are the... 04-17-2010, 06:33 PM
denuseri The same National Geographic... 02-26-2010, 05:01 PM
DuncanONeil Yes the same Nat Geo. But... 02-27-2010, 06:13 PM
tedteague considering earth is about... 04-08-2010, 05:17 PM
leo9 I really shouldn't have left... 04-09-2010, 01:07 AM
lucy Even if man-induced global... 04-09-2010, 03:27 AM
DuncanONeil But that then gives rise,... 04-10-2010, 08:47 PM
lucy Sorry and with all due... 04-23-2010, 09:13 AM
DuncanONeil My point exactly!! You are... 05-12-2010, 07:18 AM
DuncanONeil But the AGW "predictions"... 04-10-2010, 08:46 PM
denuseri What can I say Leo...I may... 04-09-2010, 01:44 PM
tedteague Leo, thats not even remotely... 04-09-2010, 05:03 PM
TantricSoul Just a reminder from your... 04-09-2010, 05:46 PM
Thorne While probably quite true,... 04-09-2010, 07:55 PM
DuncanONeil There are as many non experts... 04-10-2010, 08:50 PM
steelish And many of those who "agree"... 04-17-2010, 06:31 PM
steelish Climatology is a small field... 04-24-2010, 07:43 AM
Thorne I would hope you can back... 04-24-2010, 09:05 AM
steelish Try reading this... 04-23-2010, 07:28 AM
steelish The recent Icelandic eruption... 04-24-2010, 07:45 AM
Thorne While this is true, it is... 04-24-2010, 09:16 AM
DuncanONeil Perhaps that was the planet... 05-12-2010, 07:20 AM
denuseri Which is why the scientists... 04-24-2010, 11:38 AM
Thorne Another of my pet peeves,... 04-24-2010, 08:48 PM
socal_dan Except that the Earth's own... 04-30-2010, 03:06 AM
Thorne Nothing illogical about it at... 04-30-2010, 05:40 AM
leo9 Scientists are never "sure"... 04-26-2010, 04:56 AM
Thorne I know I've told this story... 04-26-2010, 07:32 AM
SadisticNature Specialist 04-26-2010, 09:47 AM
Thorne It's worth remembering, too,... 04-26-2010, 11:46 AM
leo9 And this is where deniers get... 04-27-2010, 04:38 AM
FrgnSwtc I agree, to think that... 04-27-2010, 08:16 AM
DuncanONeil Why is it that does that do... 05-12-2010, 07:39 AM
steelish Watch this video... 04-27-2010, 07:45 AM
Thorne No one questions the fact... 04-27-2010, 10:01 AM
steelish You're right....an... 04-27-2010, 08:10 PM
Thorne I never said any of them were... 04-28-2010, 05:53 AM
SadisticNature Climatology 04-28-2010, 08:41 PM
lucy Apparently not. Saw a feature... 04-30-2010, 02:11 AM
steelish Climatologists created their... 04-30-2010, 06:44 AM
DuncanONeil And I wonder how many of the... 05-12-2010, 08:07 AM
Thorne The advocates are the ones... 05-12-2010, 08:15 PM
denuseri Besides which, the Earths... 04-30-2010, 11:04 AM
Thorne True, but these emissions are... 04-30-2010, 12:30 PM
denuseri I am also worried in addition... 04-30-2010, 04:33 PM
Thorne How can they be ignored?... 04-30-2010, 09:32 PM
denuseri Just becuase you have no... 05-01-2010, 12:36 AM
Thorne Quite true. But preparing and... 05-01-2010, 07:03 AM
denuseri And as one can see, in some... 05-01-2010, 08:23 AM
Thorne For those wanting to cling to... 05-05-2010, 10:05 AM
steelish a panel of POLITICIANS? No... 05-05-2010, 06:41 PM
Thorne No, the first investigation... 05-05-2010, 09:30 PM
leo9 But the scientist are the... 05-06-2010, 02:38 AM
denuseri And yet according to the... 05-05-2010, 01:07 PM
Thorne So they're examining the... 05-05-2010, 09:23 PM
steelish It's a safe bet that most... 05-06-2010, 05:54 AM
Thorne You're talking about... 05-06-2010, 06:10 AM
steelish Watch this video... 05-06-2010, 06:07 AM
denuseri lol, How many times will we... 05-06-2010, 02:04 PM
denuseri And even then any given... 05-13-2010, 02:04 PM
Thorne When you are adding knew... 05-13-2010, 07:15 PM
DuncanONeil A bit of linguistic Pepto... 05-14-2010, 02:52 PM
denuseri lol This is the process I... 05-13-2010, 08:06 PM
Thorne That's exactly right. Just... 05-14-2010, 09:12 AM
Thorne Just ran across this video... 05-14-2010, 09:49 AM
denuseri You may have noticed it goes... 05-14-2010, 10:49 AM
Thorne Now see? That term,... 05-14-2010, 11:48 AM
DuncanONeil Did you not see the links... 05-14-2010, 03:01 PM
DuncanONeil I think it is the "all costs"... 05-14-2010, 02:59 PM
DuncanONeil "I think the problem with... 05-14-2010, 02:55 PM
denuseri Even with interspaced cooling... 05-14-2010, 10:08 PM
steelish And that is exactly how I... 05-15-2010, 01:31 AM
DuncanONeil "(A)s a way to "redistribute"... 05-15-2010, 03:04 PM
steelish Yes. Al Gore, Barak Obama,... 05-17-2010, 05:03 AM
Thorne I'll go along with you here.... 05-15-2010, 08:37 AM
DuncanONeil And even before it became... 05-15-2010, 03:03 PM
denuseri Just when we had allmost... 05-19-2010, 04:09 PM
leo9 Oh, and here's a funny thing.... 05-21-2010, 05:24 PM
denuseri I allways said that the... 05-22-2010, 12:41 AM
Thorne It's because they are all... 05-22-2010, 05:41 AM
steelish Who will get rich from AGW? 05-29-2010, 01:35 PM
steelish In January of this year,... 06-01-2010, 07:59 AM
Thorne Good questions! And... 06-01-2010, 08:57 AM
Ultraprene Actually, there were news... 02-28-2011, 01:56 PM
Thorne I've done thermodynamic... 03-01-2011, 02:25 PM
Ultraprene There is, of course the... 02-28-2011, 01:49 PM
denuseri Here is a recent report... 05-03-2011, 10:50 AM
Thorne And all the deniers will see... 05-03-2011, 11:03 AM
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Thorne Welcome to the club. I was... 05-03-2011, 08:52 PM
IAN 2411 I know damn all about the... 05-03-2011, 11:15 PM
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MrEmann steelish you are 100 %... 05-04-2011, 04:06 AM
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MrEmann As I prepare My answer. Doing... 05-10-2011, 06:38 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelish View Post
    No one claimed the data is hidden or suppressed.
    On the contrary, many people have said this and keep on saying it:
    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanONeil View Post
    Do not forget that that "twisted report" was compounded by destruction of the raw data used to produce it.
    Dudes, the raw data is in the public domain, all over the world. But if people look at the original figures they won't see what you want, so it's simpler to claim the figures don't exist.

    What many of us are saying is that many of the scientists who rely upon the government for grants and funding have "twisted" the reports on the results to allow the government to continue with their scare tactics.
    So when thousands of scientists who don't rely on government funding say the same thing, you have to invent other reasons why they're lying.

    Scientists lost their funding and lost their jobs under the previous administration for reporting climate changes that Dubya didn't want to hear about. That's on the record. Show me one person who's lost grants or funding for attacking AGW.
    And more to the point, not ALL scientists agree on this issue. There are many who refute the entire Global Warming/Climate Change issue.
    There is always someone to put the contrary case, that's how science works. A says yes, B says no, the rest look at the evidence and a majority come around to one point of view. You can find scientists to claim that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, that cold fusion works, and that evolution is caused by virusses from space. All of them will tell you that the reason the majority of scientist disagree with them is that they're in the grip of a vast conspiracy.

    And these contrarians are not always harmless sideshows. When HIV deniers got the ear of the South African government, thousands of deadly ill people were denied life-saving drugs and told to cure themselves by eating beetroot.
    No one has claimed that reducing carbon emissions will cause less plant growth. (at least, I certainly don't think that)
    Duncan said exactly that, several times. If you're claiming it was a joke now you've been called on it, let him say so.
    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanONeil View Post

    As for Gore do not forget that he has brought up the several million degrees inside that planet as being an additional contributer to Global Warming!
    I haven't seen the original quote, but I would bet a lot of money that it's been misquoted, the way a perfectly true remark about his involvement in ARPAnet was twisted into "Gore claims he invented the Internet". Geography 101 will tell you that the Earth's internal heat is part of the world's thermal economy, so yes, it does contribute to climate change. Or do you know something about geophysics that I and Gore don't?

    Sigh... I said I wouldn't get caught up in this. Being drawn in... Must resist... Sanity in danger...
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