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denuseri A message to our Leadership... 01-12-2010, 09:27 PM
Wiscoman Reads like a wingnut laundry... 01-12-2010, 09:48 PM
IAN 2411 I dont know much about... 01-13-2010, 03:33 AM
steelish I guess I'm a wingnut. I... 01-13-2010, 03:33 AM
DuncanONeil Only 50% of workers pay 97%... 01-16-2010, 12:52 PM
DuncanONeil You think States Rights are... 01-16-2010, 12:50 PM
denuseri Perhaps, but somthing about... 01-12-2010, 10:20 PM
TwistedTails Wingnuts are devices that... 01-13-2010, 04:32 AM
steelish ;) Oh, and I completely... 01-13-2010, 08:43 AM
MMI Twisting. ian ... don't... 01-13-2010, 10:50 AM
steelish Yes, it is. Life has changed... 01-13-2010, 12:18 PM
SadisticNature Constitution 01-13-2010, 02:47 PM
steelish Now THAT would help! (But it... 01-14-2010, 03:28 AM
steelish I won't be around in 2240,... 01-14-2010, 03:32 AM
Bren122 Technology brings about... 01-14-2010, 04:34 AM
MMI I take it, then, that you... 01-13-2010, 06:30 PM
steelish As denu said, Amendments are... 01-14-2010, 03:26 AM
DuncanONeil Interpretation is one thing... 01-16-2010, 12:56 PM
IAN 2411 MMI, My father was Scottish... 01-13-2010, 12:03 PM
denuseri Amendments are considered to... 01-14-2010, 12:36 AM
denuseri Apparently as some have... 01-14-2010, 10:22 AM
steelish denu, the ONLY politicians I... 01-14-2010, 03:41 PM
DuncanONeil If two terms for the... 01-16-2010, 01:05 PM
MMI I guess that's right, and I... 01-14-2010, 05:33 PM
Bren122 How many right wingers do you... 01-15-2010, 04:06 PM
DuncanONeil Just lick your arm! 01-16-2010, 01:06 PM
IAN 2411 In England I think there is... 01-15-2010, 01:49 PM
MMI As a matter of fact, ian, the... 01-15-2010, 06:59 PM
steelish It doesn't have to happen "in... 01-16-2010, 03:22 AM
Lion A mod is free to put this... 01-18-2010, 06:59 PM
MMI It seems to me that all... 01-15-2010, 05:56 PM
EDQ you go. that is gerat. and... 01-16-2010, 04:49 AM
IAN 2411 I am in no doubt the British... 01-16-2010, 05:03 AM
denuseri Its actually; according to... 01-17-2010, 02:29 PM
Bren122 The second Amendment reads;... 01-18-2010, 09:37 AM
steelish Actually no. Thomas Jefferson... 01-18-2010, 10:05 AM
DuncanONeil Steelish, basically very well... 01-23-2010, 08:59 AM
DuncanONeil The amendment states, as you... 01-23-2010, 08:52 AM
Bren122 A government is meant to... 01-18-2010, 02:02 PM
steelish Our government should "fear"... 01-18-2010, 02:35 PM
Bren122 and both sides say that... 01-19-2010, 06:15 AM
steelish The South was not attempting... 01-19-2010, 10:29 AM
steelish And I agree...a civilian... 01-19-2010, 10:32 AM
DuncanONeil This is not a complaint. The... 01-23-2010, 09:48 AM
steelish I don't have a Barretta (I... 01-19-2010, 10:43 AM
DuncanONeil Currently the budget is... 01-23-2010, 09:41 AM
Bren122 Republicans are just as... 01-23-2010, 02:11 PM
DuncanONeil And I am in favor of firing... 01-24-2010, 08:45 AM
DuncanONeil To say; "government is meant... 01-23-2010, 09:07 AM
DuncanONeil "the basis or necessity of... 01-23-2010, 09:12 AM
Bren122 your post does not make sense... 01-23-2010, 02:02 PM
DuncanONeil No you did not I did. ... 01-24-2010, 08:24 AM
Bren122 Quote: Originally Posted by... 01-19-2010, 06:29 AM
denuseri No not at all, the south just... 01-19-2010, 10:42 AM
Bren122 The success of the South... 01-22-2010, 05:59 PM
DuncanONeil "the Southern seccession was... 01-23-2010, 10:09 AM
Bren122 from the outset, except in... 01-23-2010, 02:49 PM
DuncanONeil Some of that was not covered... 01-24-2010, 09:06 AM
DuncanONeil The Civil War was not a... 01-23-2010, 09:50 AM
denuseri Any model that trys to... 01-23-2010, 11:01 AM
Bren122 Duncan is partially correct;... 01-23-2010, 02:29 PM
DuncanONeil Actually I would say the... 01-24-2010, 08:50 AM
DuncanONeil I never said it was not about... 01-24-2010, 07:55 AM
denuseri I seem to recall our founding... 01-19-2010, 11:08 AM
DuncanONeil Not really! The desire was... 01-23-2010, 09:54 AM
denuseri Well considering that when... 01-23-2010, 11:19 AM
DuncanONeil "In the words of ole Tommy J... 01-24-2010, 08:01 AM
Stealth694 I have always felt the... 01-20-2010, 07:17 AM
steelish There's a huge difference... 01-20-2010, 09:40 AM
DuncanONeil However the leadership still... 01-23-2010, 09:58 AM
MMI An amendment is what it says:... 01-20-2010, 03:40 PM
denuseri I dont think the issue with... 01-20-2010, 05:28 PM
oww-that-hurt beginning 01-21-2010, 08:39 AM
steelish Thank you. That's the point... 01-21-2010, 11:38 AM
Midnytedreams I'm just pondering how long... 01-21-2010, 08:49 AM
denuseri They allready have a load of... 01-21-2010, 04:22 PM
Midnytedreams The Obama's have replaced... 01-22-2010, 07:07 AM
TwistedTails From the article.... "and... 01-22-2010, 10:13 AM
Midnytedreams thank you twisted that's what... 01-22-2010, 10:55 AM
MMI Maybe, Maybe, Maybe 01-22-2010, 12:48 PM
Energizer I'm not altogether sure that... 01-22-2010, 01:54 PM
Bren122 there is a very good argument... 01-22-2010, 05:40 PM
DuncanONeil The referenced document at... 01-23-2010, 10:07 AM
steelish The American Constitution is... 01-23-2010, 04:49 PM
Energizer That quote din't say anything... 01-23-2010, 07:16 PM
steelish The excerpt (not quote)... 01-24-2010, 07:02 AM
DuncanONeil "the Constitution being the... 01-24-2010, 09:12 AM
DuncanONeil "The Constitution Franklin... 01-24-2010, 09:11 AM
denuseri I apologize, it wasn't the... 01-23-2010, 12:39 AM
denuseri The South, made up many... 01-23-2010, 03:46 PM
denuseri Duncan all I can say to you... 01-24-2010, 09:33 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanONeil View Post
    Currently the budget is pushing $2 trillion because the administration has determined that giving monies to their friends is good for the country. It may also be because they believe that all of the country's money belongs to the Government.
    How well off do you think you would be if you had the capability of raising the credit limit on your own credit card whenever you chose. It seems that some in Government are desirous of getting more than half of the people receiving their monies from the Government. The Government does have a "social justice" agenda. If you want true "social justice" it needs to come from the people, not from above.
    Republicans are just as guilty of pork barrelling and overspending; though i do agree with your critique of the current government.


    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanONeil View Post
    The Civil War was not in the least bit an attempt to overthrow the Government. Thirteen states decided that their best course of action was to create a new country. They did so. The rest saw that as an insurrection. As for the army remaining true to the Union is patently false. Many of the military leaders in the South were members of the US military that quit the military and went to the south. Some of those were:
    Himself a graduate of West Point and a former regular officer, Confederate President Jefferson Davis highly prized these valuable recruits to the cause and saw that former regular officers were given positions of authority and responsibility.[8]

    * Richard H. Anderson
    * Pierre Beauregard
    * Braxton Bragg
    * Simon Bolivar Buckner, Sr.
    * Samuel Cooper
    * Jubal Anderson Early
    * Richard Ewell
    * Josiah Gorgas
    * William Joseph Hardee
    * Ambrose Powell Hill
    * Daniel Harvey Hill
    * John Bell Hood
    * Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson
    * Albert Sidney Johnston
    * Joseph E. Johnston
    * Robert E. Lee
    * James Longstreet
    * Dabney Herndon Maury
    * John Hunt Morgan
    * John C. Pemberton
    * Edmund Kirby Smith
    * Gustavus Woodson Smith
    * J.E.B. Stuart
    * Joseph Wheeler
    you are naming individuals, many of whom were not on the active list- Jackson being the most obvious. the United States Army as a whole (or even a majority) did not go over to the other side.



    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanONeil View Post
    In the US, in spite of the second amendment, there are myriad restrictions on ownership. Your comments imply a belief that proponents of the Second desire unrestricted. Nothig could be further from the truth. Just because we stand by the Second does not mean that reasonable controls, or none, are to be dispensed with. All of the concealed carry states have restrictions on the ability to carry and no one is opposed to those restrictions.
    again- i have not mentioned conceal or carry.
    but the NRA has been opposed to delays for background checks, background checks, psychological assessments and the banning of weapon types and individual weapons and ammunitions. it has opposed banning armour piercing bullets- the so called "cop killers." this is the number one representative group for gun owners.



    Rampage shootings are not an issue of guns, but an issue of people.




    This surprises you!?!?!? There are, in total, some 2.9 million in the US military and well over 300 million in the country. So the quote is meaningless!
    And a Barrett is now a collectors piece. Its position in the Military has been replaced by newer weapons. To make a point, there is a gentleman relatively near hear that has several tanks and other armored vehicles, According to you I should be in deathly fear of this man.

    Oh, incidently, when has there been a "rampage" shooting involving a Barrett
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bren122 View Post
    Republicans are just as guilty of pork barrelling and overspending; though i do agree with your critique of the current government.
    And I am in favor of firing all 535 of them! Although I may make an exception for Liberman.



    Quote Originally Posted by Bren122 View Post
    you are naming individuals, many of whom were not on the active list- Jackson being the most obvious. the United States Army as a whole (or even a majority) did not go over to the other side.
    I was unhappy with the listing for two reasons, one being it was indentified as "some", and had no specific info on each. They were meant to be examples. But without further research I find your rebuttal less than satisfying.



    Quote Originally Posted by Bren122 View Post
    again- i have not mentioned conceal or carry.
    but the NRA has been opposed to delays for background checks, background checks, psychological assessments and the banning of weapon types and individual weapons and ammunitions. it has opposed banning armour piercing bullets- the so called "cop killers." this is the number one representative group for gun owners.
    The NRA does not oppose background checks.
    There is no opposition to "armor piercing" bullets being banned, to civilians. There is an objection to the change being sought that will identify nearly all rifle ammunition as "armor piercing". "(A)mending the federal “armor piercing ammunition” law, which currently restricts bullets made with certain metals and jacket constructions designed to penetrate protective vests worn by law enforcement officers. The change, supported by Sen. Obama, would ban any bullet that can be used in a handgun and that can penetrate the least protective vest worn by law enforcement officers." Clearly intended as an end around.
    As for the "psychological assessments" Such a person would fail the background check.
    Why are you so concerned about the mere mention of CCW? Data shows that in the places this is law has reduced crime!

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