The Church orders Wives to Submit to their Husbands

[IAN 2411]

[QUOTE=Flaming_Redhead;846989]In Genesis, chapter 3 tells of the fall of man. Verse 16 says, "To the woman he (God) said, I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Please explain to me who wrote Genesis? Answer is a man. Now he really had his head screwed on right, he was not going to let his wife get the better of him. How does he know what God said, we are talking about the time when only Adam and Eve were on earth, are you trying to tell me that Adam wrote the bible? If so what on and how.



In Christianity, it is believed that the Bible is the divinely inspired word of God. It is not merely one book but many books and letters written by many authors over the course of many, many years. It is a miracle in itself that when all the books were eventually compiled together they complimented and agreed with each other.

Who told you that the priests? Half the Bible is missing and that is also a belief, what are the same priests keeping from you.


[QUOTE=Flaming_Redhead;846989]In the New Testament, Paul, an apostle of Christ, wrote a letter to the Ephesians on a number of issues, one of them being wives and husbands. Verses 22-24 say, "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything." He said it again to the Colossians; chapter 3 verse 18 says, "Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord." Peter, an apostle of Christ, wrote to the early church on wives and husbands, also; 1 Peter chapter 3 verse 1 says, "Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives."
Now correct me if i’m wrong, but wasn’t Paul a man? [an early sexist] He was only saying what was written in Genesis, it was nothing new, he was just repeating what another man had written.


Regards ian 2411

[Flaming_Redhead]

When did this happen?

The Council of Trent on April 8, 1546, approved the present Roman Catholic Bible Canon, including Deuterocanonical Books, and in 1647, the Westminster Confession of Faith was issued which decreed a 39-book Old Testament and 27-book New Testament, the others commonly labeled as Apocrypha excluded by Protestant churches.

Aren't there two contradictory versions of Creation?

Not in my Bible, which is the New International Version. I can't speak for any other version.

Isn't it true that the four Gospels, supposed to be the teaching of four men who actually walked with Jesus, don't agree on so many things?

I've noticed some variation of wording but not outright contradiction, which is to be expected seeing as how those 4 men didn't sit down together and copy each other.

In truth, the Bible was pulled together by various factions of Christianity from numerous competing beliefs. Those which most supported the powers-that-were remained in the Bible. Those which did not were not only excised but ordered destroyed, to reduce the possiblitly of people thinking there might be other paths to heaven.

Actually, those books which had been recognized as the Hebrew Bible for centuries are accepted as scripture while some later texts are considered Deuterocanonical (not doctrine but good to read) by the Catholic church. The choice whether to include them or not was based on many factors, including the language they were written in, whether passages were referenced in other books, etc., to determine if they matched previous works.

While the OP dealt with a Christian Vicar, the idea of women subordinating themselves to men runs through many other faiths. And unless you are claiming that Christianity is the only true religion, and therefore it is only the Christian God's law which must be followed, then the Quran, the Book of Mormon and any other religious text is just as valid a reference as the Bible.

While the idea of women subordinating themselves to men runs through many other faiths, the OP dealt with a Christian vicar. Therefore, for the purpose of answering the OP, other religious text than the Bible is not valid as a reference.

Please explain to me who wrote Genesis?

It had been believed until the 20th century that Moses wrote the Book of Genesis, either dictated to him by God or surviving relatives in oral tradition, but there are now numerous competing theories.

Who told you that the priests? Half the Bible is missing and that is also a belief, what are the same priests keeping from you.

As a matter of fact, I'm not Catholic, and most of what I've learned has been on my own.

Now correct me if i’m wrong, but wasn’t Paul a man? [an early sexist] He was only saying what was written in Genesis, it was nothing new, he was just repeating what another man had written.

Paul was a man, but I'd hardly call him a sexist as you seem to imply all men are. This so-called sexist said, "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church--for we are members of his body. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. This is a profound mystery--but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband. Ephesians 5:25-33

"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them." Colossians 3:19

[Thorne]

Not in my Bible, which is the New International Version. I can't speak for any other version.

Around here (South Carolina) the King James Version seems to be the "only TRUE version" of the Bible. Doesn't the fact that there ARE different versions argue against the Bible as the literal word of God?

In the KJV, Genesis 1 says that people were created after the animals, and that Adam and Eve were created separately. Genesis 2, on the other hand, Adam was created first, then the animals, and then Eve.

I've noticed some variation of wording but not outright contradiction, which is to be expected seeing as how those 4 men didn't sit down together and copy each other.

Matthew (Ch.2) and Luke (Ch.1) both say that Jesus was born during the time of King Herod, before 4BC. But Luke (Ch.2) says it was during the taxing, when Cyrenius was governor of Syria, placing it some time after 6AD.

Matthew (Ch.2) says that Joseph took Mary and Jesus to Egypt, while Luke (Ch.2) claims that they went back to Nazareth.

These are only two contradictions which I found quickly. Many more, throughout the Bible, can be found here.