The simple definition of socialism is "state ownership of industry" such has not been the case in modern nation states.
Further social programs in a capitalist state does not make the country socialist.
Further I would have to take the position that a pure system of politics, which is likely to never occur, is also like not a good thing. However, a system that rewards the person for effort is immeasurably better than one that tries to make everyone the same regardless of effort. With no reward for effort all you produce is mediocrity.


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The United States? Great Brittan?.um..France, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Germany, Japan, China,??/ ...the list goes on and on and on.

All these countries and more use socialism to one extent or another and have been for many many many generations.

At least in so far as I understand Socialism to be its proven above board to be more sucesful than pure capitalism ever has.