Suprmem Court Ruling

[StrictMasterD]

I have complex feelings about this church, and the protests in particular. I absolutely believe in free speech. I also believe in exercising my right to free speech, frequently, as good taste and political correctness aren't my forte. I also believe in respecting anyone who chooses to stand up for their country and for their beliefs. The members of the church are obviously standing up for what they believe. They're doing it in a tactless and offensive way, and about offensive and stupid bullshit, but that is pretty much what they're doing.

If the cemetery is on private property, then the patrons/owner do have the right to ask that the protesters leave, and the right to call the police if they don't. Of course, they could cross the street and protest from public grounds.

My general stance, is I have no problem with another person's beliefs until they become a problem for me. Homophobia doesn't bother me personally, unless someone decides to make it a problem for me. I'm gay, some people are super uncomfortable with it, and that's fine. I work with blue-collar guys who were really "concerned" about me being gay at first. By now they realize I'm just a mouthy asshole like they are, I just don't care about the texts of naked chicks they pass around. I believe in the basic principle of "be nice or leave me alone."

I don't think I would want to protest another person's funeral. Obviously this group has decided that their beliefs make room for that kind of activity, but protesting the mourning of another life isn't in line with my beliefs. It would just be- being an asshole for no reason other than I disagreed with their actions. That's not really a value that I hold, it's just a character defect I'm working on.

So, yeah. I think protesting another person's funeral is bullshit. I think it's fucked up and sick behavior, perpetrated by sick, deluded people. Of course, if Americans protested all fucked up and sick behavior, that puts us in very murky moral territory, because who makes the call?

The only thing is NO Cemetary is Private Property that is part of the issue, ALL Cemetaries are open to any one to walk through
Thereis not one Cemetary in the UnitedSttes that you can not freely walk through

[Thorne]

The only thing is NO Cemetary is Private Property that is part of the issue, ALL Cemetaries are open to any one to walk through
Thereis not one Cemetary in the UnitedSttes that you can not freely walk through

Are you sure of this? I would think that any cemetery, unless run by the city/state/federal government, would be considered the same as any other business. They can choose who is permitted entry. Just like any business can refuse service to anyone, the owners of a cemetery are able to refuse entry to anyone. Especially if they are making a nuisance of themselves.

It's my understanding that the members of this church are required to obtain a parade permit in order to mount their protests on public property. I would think that one way to keep them from disrupting funerals would be to require (for everyone, of course) one or two weeks notice before issuing such a permit. Since most funerals will not have such advance notice, the deceased will already be buried before they can legally set up their protest. And as long as everyone is given the same treatment, there can be no complaints of discrimination.

Any legal experts out there know if something like this would be possible? Would it be possible, even, to require longer waiting periods for people who don't live in a certain town, or county, or whatever boundaries you want? And what about charging fees for these permits? I'm pretty sure they already do that, but could they have larger fees for people or organizations that do not pay taxes in that community?

[StrictMasterD]

Are you sure of this? I would think that any cemetery, unless run by the city/state/federal government, would be considered the same as any other business. They can choose who is permitted entry. Just like any business can refuse service to anyone, the owners of a cemetery are able to refuse entry to anyone. Especially if they are making a nuisance of themselves.

It's my understanding that the members of this church are required to obtain a parade permit in order to mount their protests on public property. I would think that one way to keep them from disrupting funerals would be to require (for everyone, of course) one or two weeks notice before issuing such a permit. Since most funerals will not have such advance notice, the deceased will already be buried before they can legally set up their protest. And as long as everyone is given the same treatment, there can be no complaints of discrimination.

Any legal experts out there know if something like this would be possible? Would it be possible, even, to require longer waiting periods for people who don't live in a certain town, or county, or whatever boundaries you want? And what about charging fees for these permits? I'm pretty sure they already do that, but could they have larger fees for people or organizations that do not pay taxes in that community?

I spoke with a Layer mentionedi t and he said all Cemetaries are Public Property, that City, Towns ect can require Permists to demostatre if they want to,
I would love to see the Biker Brigage start show up to mafe this Church Facists
The Cemetary may be Private in Terms o fwho can be buried there, ie: Catholic Cemetary, or a Jewish etc one, or a Hindu one, but ANYONE has legal right to walk the grounds of any cemetray I have donei t before just to see the grounds

[StrictMasterD]

Let;s just let the Biker Brigade start to show up where the Church does andsee what happens, they may not be as "Dipomatic" as others
A City cna Require a Demostration permit, but it is a City, Town State issue but i like your idea of sure you can Demonstre and spew your hatrered, you justn eed a Permit and you have 2 wait 2 weeks, oh by thr way the permit is $500 what woulds the church do then, porbably sue