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[denuseri]

It is thir..I am not the one who brought up WW2.

Though it may be worth examining.

Winston Churchill came to the USA and pleaded with FDR for "help" in the War and together they tried to convience Americans that it was in our intrest to "help" "over there" and yes altough we didnt come over in directly with our Army in force until after he could get congress to declare war, (we promptly btw put the war against the people who attacked us on the back burner and took a Europe comes first poliecy) we for many years before that sent tons and tons of supplies, ships, planes and people to keep Brittian and Russia from both being overwhelmed by a better prepared and at the time militarally superior agressor.

Being the size of one or two states didnt stop Germany from occupying an area larger than what Napolean conquored with a military force larger than what we have currently, so thats a rather spurious corelation to draw considering. The fact of the matter is Europeans in general took a back seat in so far as military spending goes ever since Regan decided to out spend the Russians in the cold war.

If I wasnt aware of the disproportanate military responce of resource allocation I wouldnt have brought it up, seems however I am to stand as a proxy effegy in your eyes for American forgien policey so the bad rep thingy starts and applies universally, guess I shouldnt make self fuffiling prophecies conserning who takes the brunt of the disaproval huh..

And if you read my post before Ian decided to breech into the thread with WW2 as a sidebar I was speaking directly as to why you see us intervening at all in Libya when we did not bother in Egypt or in the other areas as much if at all.

OIL OIL OIL

In Iraq it was control of the oil in the region.

In Afganistan its control of a region that borders Iran (strategic importance).

In Libiya its control of the oil that goes primaraly to others, namely to our friends in Europe which is why I believe Ian said its chiefly a european issue. Not "whining at all" just stating the facts.

As for what the recent bout of conflicts in the middle east are really about?

Food prices going sky high is imho the straw that broke the camels back.

As supply from forgien contributors dropped when they switched much of their food production away from making things to eat so they could re-allocate it to making fuel substitutes (ie bio fuels) to help offset the ever dwindeling oil supply it has cuase a reduction in food supplies which in turn increased the prices.

Like allmost every other time history...interupt the nessesities under the right conditions and the massess riot or revolt.

What I am saying is:

Basically if your Country doesnt have something of eaither strategic military or vital resouce importance that the USA or its allies wants really bad, or wishes to deny our enemies...forget about us bothing to intervene for very long on your behalf.


PS:

For the sake of clairification when I said "so called" allies I was not refering specifically to Great Brittian so much as I was to a certian collective of mainland eroupeans who are allies by nessecity wether they really wish to be or not. (a topic that perhaps deserves it's own thread lol) So I do applogize for the misunderstanding I should have been more clear.