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StrictMasterD Occupy Wall Street Movement 10-10-2011, 04:03 PM
denuseri A prime sign that the... 10-10-2011, 07:53 PM
Thorne Maybe if they were actually... 10-10-2011, 09:00 PM
lucy Wrong. Even if they'd work... 10-11-2011, 12:29 AM
Thorne That's the simple excuse,... 10-11-2011, 05:36 AM
thir I do not understand this... 10-13-2011, 06:15 AM
Thorne Preaching to the choir, thir.... 10-13-2011, 08:42 AM
Hamishlacastle B]DIRECT DEMOCRACY IS THE... 12-24-2011, 02:47 PM
thir I came across about the... 10-11-2011, 02:31 PM
denuseri Lets just forgo a lot of the... 10-11-2011, 03:58 PM
thir Secondly...the rich do indeed... 10-13-2011, 06:18 AM
StrictMasterD Did you know last year Wareen... 10-11-2011, 04:04 PM
Ownedfyre (mm1) I work Full time. I am a... 10-13-2011, 08:44 AM
Ownedfyre (mm1) Link to the article that denu... 10-13-2011, 08:50 AM
denuseri History has also proven that... 10-13-2011, 07:46 PM
js207 It sounds like you have... 10-14-2011, 03:06 PM
denuseri ]It sounds like you have... 10-15-2011, 09:20 AM
thir Have I understood this... 10-16-2011, 10:33 AM
MasterRok ok I thought this was an... 10-15-2011, 11:37 AM
StrictMasterD Parto fhte Point is that the... 10-16-2011, 02:19 PM
js207 I find the "too big to fail"... 10-20-2011, 05:15 AM
leo9 Thorne, you got to stop... 10-20-2011, 06:41 AM
Thorne I never used to take the... 10-20-2011, 10:30 AM
lucy That totally annoys the hell... 10-20-2011, 07:45 AM
thir I am not sure what is... 10-22-2011, 02:42 AM
js207 I think Lucy's comparison is... 10-22-2011, 03:15 AM
leo9 Now see, you're not using... 10-20-2011, 01:26 PM
js207 "If you're studying, no... 10-20-2011, 02:53 PM
js207 The hyperbole doesn't help -... 10-23-2011, 01:15 PM
thir As I understand it, the 99%... 10-24-2011, 04:31 AM
ksst I think having more than 2... 10-24-2011, 05:00 AM
StrictMasterD According to a story I heard... 10-24-2011, 07:55 AM
ksst One I heard announced today... 10-24-2011, 04:16 PM
js207 It has apparently been... 10-28-2011, 07:22 AM
ksst Just about everything to do... 10-28-2011, 08:15 AM
js207 Rather like the obesity... 10-28-2011, 08:38 AM
tedteague i dont know if anyone still... 12-21-2011, 10:04 PM
denuseri And when they call their... 12-22-2011, 02:56 PM
js207 Remember it, and vote... 12-22-2011, 03:42 PM
denuseri Vote for the other guy huh? ... 12-22-2011, 05:01 PM
tedteague Congress has about a 90%... 12-23-2011, 07:11 AM
tedteague donations aren't votes. its... 12-23-2011, 06:59 AM
tedteague disregard this message, i... 12-23-2011, 07:07 AM
IAN 2411 Why is it excessive? I have... 12-23-2011, 06:07 AM
ksst Well, I certainly didn't mean... 12-23-2011, 06:43 AM
denuseri One may wish to take a course... 12-23-2011, 11:58 AM
Austerus The entire reason that money... 12-23-2011, 12:55 PM
denuseri I couldn't have said it... 12-23-2011, 03:56 PM
tedteague this is the digital age,... 12-23-2011, 06:47 PM
Austerus ted, Facebook ad Twitter are... 12-23-2011, 07:39 PM
Punish_her also, i wouldnt say the tea... 12-24-2011, 12:22 AM
denuseri Which shows that we can still... 12-24-2011, 07:11 AM
Omega22 democracy makes life of... 12-31-2011, 08:59 AM
Punish_her ted: 1) money matters 2)... 12-24-2011, 12:20 AM
denuseri Herd like complacency and... 12-24-2011, 07:05 AM
Punish_her No, itsl called a science... 12-31-2011, 02:36 AM
denuseri lol...allrighty then...you go... 12-31-2011, 08:23 AM
tedteague 1) no im not the tea party... 12-24-2011, 02:25 PM
Hamishlacastle DIRECT DEMOCRACY IS THE... 12-24-2011, 02:46 PM
js207 I'm not sure about voting... 12-26-2011, 01:56 PM
Thorne The problem with a direct... 12-26-2011, 08:57 PM
js207 I very much doubt that - and... 12-28-2011, 10:39 AM
Thorne I didn't say I opposed... 12-28-2011, 02:53 PM
js207 Not frightened people - the... 12-28-2011, 03:27 PM
Thorne I'm not claiming that the... 12-29-2011, 07:33 AM
js207 No, I was just pointing out... 12-29-2011, 07:41 AM
Thorne So maybe the answer is to... 12-29-2011, 02:53 PM
js207 It would be better for... 12-29-2011, 03:23 PM
Thorne Just a thought, here. I've... 12-30-2011, 06:32 AM
js207 Yes, those elections tend to... 12-30-2011, 06:44 AM
Thorne Don't you think that most... 12-30-2011, 11:06 AM
js207 Probably true, but not to a... 12-30-2011, 03:38 PM
denuseri That still doesn't mean we... 12-30-2011, 02:26 PM
StrictMasterD Simply put The TEA Party is... 12-30-2011, 10:54 PM
js207 The Tea Party's largely... 12-31-2011, 03:13 AM
Thorne Is this limited to... 12-31-2011, 05:45 AM
denuseri According to Political... 12-31-2011, 08:38 AM
js207 It isn't exclusive to... 12-31-2011, 10:59 AM
Punish_her holy shit was i drunk last... 12-31-2011, 10:59 AM
Thorne This conversation has become... 01-02-2012, 09:14 AM
Omega22 You miss my point. I dont... 01-02-2012, 11:25 AM
Thorne Probably because I haven't... 01-02-2012, 12:47 PM
IAN 2411 What a surprise, I asked this... 01-02-2012, 10:45 AM
IAN 2411 It was such a good system... 01-02-2012, 12:16 PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by js207 View Post
    easy to vote for party X without thinking, or the candidate with the bigger grin, but yes or no on prop 123?
    Don't you think that most people would simply accept the rantings of the few people who have done the research, and are mouthing off, either for or against, on ridiculous grounds rather than rational thought? How many people will still rattle off lies (about Obama's birth certificate, about gay marriage, about abortion, about almost any hot topic) despite those lies having been debunked over and over and over again? Instead of learning for themselves, they latch onto a mouthpiece (Glenn Beck, Bill O'Riley, Al Gore) and spout the same, stupid, misleading garbage.
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    Don't you think that most people would simply accept the rantings of the few people who have done the research, and are mouthing off, either for or against, on ridiculous grounds rather than rational thought? How many people will still rattle off lies (about Obama's birth certificate, about gay marriage, about abortion, about almost any hot topic) despite those lies having been debunked over and over and over again? Instead of learning for themselves, they latch onto a mouthpiece (Glenn Beck, Bill O'Riley, Al Gore) and spout the same, stupid, misleading garbage.
    Probably true, but not to a greater extent than they do right now with elected representatives - who, in turn, often vote on issues based on nothing better as well. I vaguely recall an experiment someone did in the lead up to the 2008 election, asking those who identified themselves as a supporter of one candidate or the other if they supported their choice because of (opponent's view, misattributed). Some Obama supporters were really enthusiastic about his campaign finance reform legislation and sticking to the public financing system while his opponent opted out, while others were definitely voting for McCain because of his strong pro-choice credentials ... shame they had the two candidates confused there. At the very least, voting directly on issues instead of proxying it by people's names would eliminate that.

    I'm not saying to use direct democracy exclusively, voting on every technical detail of every law - just to put the electorate at the top of the chain of command, so taxpayers can override the worst decisions the same way the President can veto them now. If CA can vote to recall bad governors, why can't the US vote to recall bad laws?

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