Who wants Afganistan to blow up?

[lucy]

I believe there was certain results with respect to co-ordination between occupying forces and the Afghans (not Taliban) forces.

With results you mean a German or American-trained Afghani policeman or soldier turning around and shooting those in the back who have trained him? Happens ever more often, far as I know.
That's certainly a result, albeit presumably not one the occupying forces where hoping for.

But too many things have happended of an extremely provocative nature, I just cannot see it as 'shit happens'.

I don't think that's the root of the NATO forces getting their asses whipped. I think it was just a very bad idea to go there in the beginning, especially with the expectation of being welcomed by the Afghani population.
Also, so far no foreign force EVER has managed to conquer and pacify Afghanistan. Not the Persians, not the Brits, certainly not communist Soviet Union. Why should that be different with NATO?

[IAN 2411]

I don't think that's the root of the NATO forces getting their asses whipped. I think it was just a very bad idea to go there in the beginning, especially with the expectation of being welcomed by the Afghani population.
Also, so far no foreign force EVER has managed to conquer and pacify Afghanistan. Not the Persians, not the Brits, certainly not communist Soviet Union. Why should that be different with NATO?

Now you have hit the nail on the head with that quote. I have been too long in thinking that after Persians, the Bitish and the Russians and NATO. Also in between those they have tried to get on with each other. The country is ungovernable because every person in the country that is not in power has their own ideas of how they want their country run. I doubt very much whether they take notice of anyone ruling them, and most probably the only way in the end to rule them will be by force. If the Teliban get their way when NATO withdraws [Meaning retreats like the Persians, British and Russians] then the force will be provided for them, and guess who they will be screaming to for deliverence from the dredded outdated sharie laws?

Be well IAN 2411

[thir]

Also, so far no foreign force EVER has managed to conquer and pacify Afghanistan. Not the Persians, not the Brits, certainly not communist Soviet Union. Why should that be different with NATO?

Yes, that is what I thought as well when it all started. A mess that can neither be sorted nor withdrawn from in a reasonably good way, and certainly not won. I never understood a word of that war, other than revenge and sweet money for weapons and oil.
But neither do I understand what is cooking there now! If anything.