Obama And Gay Marriages

[Punish_her]

I think every marriage should be a little more gay. That means happy, right?


Seriously though, I'm in favor of gay marriage. I'm in favor of poly marriage. How other people want to marry just does not affect me personally in my marriage, and I think it's perfectly awful that people discriminate based on orientation.

i agree with that 100 percent, but its not a matter of what you or i think is right, its a matter of what is legal and authorized

[Thorne]

i agree with that 100 percent, but its not a matter of what you or i think is right, its a matter of what is legal and authorized

Very true. And it has been shown time and again that it is illegal to discriminate. It is also illegal to use religious convictions to force laws into effect that will affect even those who do not subscribe to that religion. Which is what the controversy is all about!

[Punish_her]

Very true. And it has been shown time and again that it is illegal to discriminate. It is also illegal to use religious convictions to force laws into effect that will affect even those who do not subscribe to that religion. Which is what the controversy is all about!

the goverment can't at least. i think a business should be allowed to be as discriminatory as it wants

[Thorne]

the goverment can't at least. i think a business should be allowed to be as discriminatory as it wants

Except that it can't. That issue was settled more than 40 years ago. ANY public business must abide by federal anti-discrimination laws. That's why restaurants, or clothing stores, or bars, or any other business which deals with the general public, cannot refuse to serve someone based upon race, color or creed. And it's my opinion, an the opinion of an ever-increasing percentage of the US population, that sexual orientation should be included in that ruling. There is no valid, legal reason for denying gays equal rights. The ONLY reasons are religious, which cannot be used to justify law.

[Punish_her]

Except that it can't. That issue was settled more than 40 years ago. ANY public business must abide by federal anti-discrimination laws. That's why restaurants, or clothing stores, or bars, or any other business which deals with the general public, cannot refuse to serve someone based upon race, color or creed. And it's my opinion, an the opinion of an ever-increasing percentage of the US population, that sexual orientation should be included in that ruling. There is no valid, legal reason for denying gays equal rights. The ONLY reasons are religious, which cannot be used to justify law.

if its my property, i should be able to do what i want with it. if i want to have a resteraunt that only employs and caters to whites, seeing as how its my property, that should be legal

[Thorne]

if its my property, i should be able to do what i want with it. if i want to have a resteraunt that only employs and caters to whites, seeing as how its my property, that should be legal

Except that, even if it's your property, you cannot run a business without acquiring a permit from the city/county/state. To obtain that permit, and keep it, you must abide by all applicable laws, at least one of which requires you to be non-discriminatory. Certainly there are valid reasons for keeping a particular person out of your store, but keeping an entire class of people out is illegal, and will cost you your ability to do business.

[StrictMasterD]

Except that, even if it's your property, you cannot run a business without acquiring a permit from the city/county/state. To obtain that permit, and keep it, you must abide by all applicable laws, at least one of which requires you to be non-discriminatory. Certainly there are valid reasons for keeping a particular person out of your store, but keeping an entire class of people out is illegal, and will cost you your ability to do business.

Thorne,
I have a question, you are right with what you havesaid, but what happens in siutations and I have seen them when you go by or into a resturant and there is a sign up that says "We reservethe right to refuse to serve anyone"
I have seen those ans thoe arelegal, wil probably kll the business but they are legal to you you can refuse serve to anyone you want
As am atter of fact without getting of track to much there was recently a resutrant inthe news who have asign up that say they wil not serve anyone who speaks Spanish, or only English spoken here?

[Punish_her]

Except that, even if it's your property, you cannot run a business without acquiring a permit from the city/county/state. To obtain that permit, and keep it, you must abide by all applicable laws, at least one of which requires you to be non-discriminatory. Certainly there are valid reasons for keeping a particular person out of your store, but keeping an entire class of people out is illegal, and will cost you your ability to do business.

well obviously that's the law but the law itself is unconstitutional