Quote Originally Posted by Rhabbi View Post
tessa,

I see this a lot. Submission is trained out of you by the culture, this does not mean that you are barely submissive, it just means you have not found the proper person to submit to.

I am also with Russell in that a challenge is a lot more fun for me than a simple surrender. If we go back and forth a bit a sub and I can learn a lot more about each other than if I simply walk up and she does whatever I want. The process of training is one of learning about each other so that we know the strengths and weaknesses we have and forge us into a complete whole, stronger than the parts.

I prefer a barely submissive woman to a door mat. If I wanted a doormat I would go to Home Depot.
Hmmm..... Russels and your post got me thinking. Is it really challenge you, Russel and I are after? Surely it's not challenge for the sake of challenge? And surely all Doms want women who want to be doormats, or we wouldn't be drawn to being Masters? With challenge, do you mean a woman/sub who speaks up and tells you what it is she needs, and the challenge is to give her that? The reason why I don't want a docile door mat isn't that it would be boring, (which I'm sure it wouldn't be) but the fact that I would know that I'm probably not giving her what she needs. In my experience the real challenge is to get a sub to share the demands she has in way other than having a tantrum and standing, tears streaming, with her bags packed in our hall.