Quote Originally Posted by tessa View Post
In his grave, Freud is absolutely salivating at that slip right now.
Laffin, My thoughts exactly.


I have to say, though, qualifying the type of submissive that certain Dominants prefer as a "doormat" is a bit off-putting, much the same as characterizing challenging submissives as bratty bitches who top from the bottom would be.
I have to say that absolute obedience is far from making a sub into a doormat. I know all too many partnerships which are passive-agressive, with the partners listening but ignoring their mates, or not listening at all... or debasing their partners with verbal abuse...

and I know plenty of partnerships where one partner is absolutely obedient yet everything is fully considered and discussed, decisions are made together in full partnership. But when there remains a disagreement, there will be one who makes that decision. It may even be, 'You have to decide on your own.' and even THAT order must be obeyed. When I've heard enough, a 'hush now and let me think about it for a while' gets a hush.

The point is, with absolute obedience on the table, you just don't go to that point in a partnership where one partner (or both) has withdrawn from the partnership and just accepts the tacit service provided by the spouse, whether it is income, or yardwork, or household chores. That's creating a doormat in my opinion.

Progressing to an absolute level of obedience doesn't signify stagnancy. Quite the opposite, I imagine. Talk about an ever-changing process! That kind of discipline doesn't just happen. It takes time and skill and perseverance from a Dominant and submissive to achieve such. All-around challenge, I would think.
Agreed.