From what I've seen & heard, many women don't believe they're beautiful because they've been abused in some way, put down in the early years of their lives, or just compare themselves to an impossible ideal. (Check out the women's magazines)

It's great to read these stories & know how important it is to tell them in a safe place. My wife had a horrific childhood, & her adult life has had it's moments. She used to crave rough sex, rape fantasies etc- I guess for similar reasons.

After being with her 20 years, she still asks if I still like her, & if I'm attracted to her. I sure don't need to lie there, she's bloody beautiful.

She's a beautiful person as well, still given to fits of rage that take some coping with, I can tell you!

Great thread Ashton, keep telling your stories guys- I for one am reading them with sadness, & admiration for your courage.

BTW- when I was learning about domestic abuse, the statistics were that a woman generally leaves an abusive partner 7 times, before making the final break. Those guys are very good with the flowers & promises- they have to be.