Just want to say, as a mod, that this type of post ^ is exactly what I personally would like to see more of.

A thoughtful restating/clarification of position, without any attacks, and then some questions that seek to challenge (perhaps even understand?) the other viewpoint.

My sincere gratitude to those posting in this thread, and really all threads, that are on topic and off each others cases!

And I'd answer those questions if I could, but I don't support water boarding or any form of torture that is non consensual

Respectfully,
TS