Quote Originally Posted by brwneydgirl View Post
The question I have is, does the sexual sadist gain pleasure from the infliction of pain...no matter if the one receiving the pain is willing or not willing?
Complex question, I think. Maybe that depends on the person. Of course, the ethical answer is no good sadist gets pleasure from an unwilling person, but is that merely political correctness? Is the answer a little more complicated? Many people have fantasies - maybe masturbation fantasies, but nevertheless - about non-consensual sessions, which migt also include pain. To read about and fantasize about, but never to be done in real life? And some have the profile of seeing how much the sub, not neccesarily into pain at all, can and will take for their Master/Mistress? That is not non-consensual, but maybe not 'willing' as in 'enjoying pain' either. Consensual in that the person will try to please the Master/Mistress.

To me it is clear that a person tormenting an unwilling victim is a criminal, as much as a rapist is a criminal and not a lover. But what may happen between two people in the BDSM world is a more complex thing.