Equality?

[steelish]

Now you've offended me.
It was not my intension. My point was there is a parental school of thought that seeks to teach children from a very early age the importance of work by saying if you dont do this work you dont get that material reward. There's no argument about the work-reward relationship but personally I dont think there's anything wrong with letting children be children and letting them learn values slowly as they grow. There are many people who work in this world for principles higher than personal gain and the reason you should do that chore may be because mom does not have time rather than because the kids earns some candy money.

That may not have been your intent, but you did so just the same. We were allowed to be kids. We played, we had friends. We also earned money when we saw something in the store we wanted but my mother could not afford. My mother raised four kids by herself. My father left when I was 9. We did what we could as we got old enough to do things to earn a touch of money. Mowing a yard for a neighbor, weeding my grandfather's 16 acre vegetable garden, etc.

What are you advocating Kendal? Blindly paying them to sit around and do nothing,
First I would define who "them" are and not tar all unemployed with the same brush. I would then take different approaches with the different types of "them". Yes there are some that do not
want to work but I think there are more options than continue paying or stop paying. In UK a lot of "them" are working in the black economy and welfare payments is extra money. That type of "them" are clearly criminals.

You defined "them" previously. You're statement was: "What are you advocating steelish. Stopping welfare for those who wont work. What do you think they will do... quietly starve to death."

while they create future generations who will live the same way?
I am sure there are many who would be offended by that remark. What makes you say this. Will the son of the wife beater grow up to be a wife beater. There are plenty of cases where children want to be the exact opposite and parents serve as cautionary tales rather than role models.

There might be many offended. I never said EVERYONE who is raised on welfare continues the tradition. However, many do. I see it. I have family members who live it. My aunt raised four girls on her own. She was on welfare due to Lupus. She couldn't work. My mother helped when she could. So did all of us kids. Two of her children worked hard in school and went on to college. Two decided to sit around and do nothing although they are able-bodied. They live on welfare. They are raising kids of their own. Some of their kids seem to have the same mindset as their mothers.

I've seen this hundreds of times, and it is so true; Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime.
Care to explain how the man you taught to fish lives if you dont give him a fishing rod or there are no fish (jobs) in the (employment) river. These maxims are all very good but they are rather simplistic.

Not so. It's an analogy. You're taking it so literally.

What I got allowance for was the hard jobs that were considered something "above and beyond".
The lesson is still the same - material reward for hard work. I used to enjoy (hard) work because it meant I was doing my bit in the family team and to show I was a big boy even though I wasn't. I enjoyed making a difference and leaving my mark .... ie I come yard dirty... I go yard clean.

When I speak of allowance for the other "jobs" I did I am saying I simply learned the value of a dollar..........whereas those who grow up on welfare or get things handed to them rarely learn the lesson.
Nothing wrong with that but there are values higher than the almighty dollar that motivate some people to work without needing personal material gain. In my life people have given (handed) me "things". I repay those people by giving to others in return. And again I dispute the claim that children follow in the footsteps of the parents.

Seems as if you and I will go round and round. See above explanation.