How far do you go?

[gagged_Louise]

Well put, moptop. It's kind of naive to think people, especially a sub who is close to subspace/frightened, or who has just been through a violent and disconcerting scene, would feel totally up to saying "no, this is far too much for me, I don't feel good/I didn't feel it was okay at all" - and even less, that you could know for sure in advance what will work. You have to weigh in the sense of dependency (for similar reasons, you can't just buy it on her words if a prostitute says "but I like my job: I love doing this, I make more money than a doctor and I'm totally in control of working hours" Of course nobody will say "I loathe what I do for a living and I would never tell my friends, but I need to do this six days a week because I found myself in a blind alley and don't want to be crawling in front of the Social Security people") In most cases, peope who are in prostitution don't have an easy option iof stepping clear out of the trade and going back to a secure vanilla life (in this case, for one, "vanilla" is a positive term)

And few things hurt more, mentally, than having your privates intruded and being sexually treated like a doll by the wrong person or in the wrong way. It's not about tha amount of violence used but about the degradation, the feeling of being juggled and used for fun like a lump of meat. Yes. this is the very stuff that also fuels masochist fantasies of me and many others here, but we should be able to see it has to be consensual in some way. and firmly checked to be consensual.


Not being with a R/L Dominant I don't have that many sensational tales to bring up, but with the right people (a bi couple?) I would happily consider being bound, raped and abused in a r/l scene, though it'd happen only with people I knew very well and certainly not without a safeword.