Tricking your sub into getting something else.

[Rhabbi]

And back on the original question's content- I don't think your "trickery" of surprising the sub with urine instead of semen is a bad thing- I would not even term it as a "trick". However, your lying about their displeasing you is the bad part. In fact, that shows a great lack of true mastery ability.

I'm sure every true sub, slave, Dom/me, Master, Mistress knows how powerful the thought of displeasing the one you serve is. To use that deceitfully is terribly immature, unfair, irresponsible, unproductive, and destructive. Just the opposite of what a good D/s relationship should be.

I think you just summed up the problem here Eponine, very insightful.

[cadence]

Well it's clear, jiggy, that you are simply trying to get the reactions you've gotten.

I haven't read many of your other posts, but you may or may not engage in anything more than writing your thoughts here on this forum.

But should you actually be seeking a submissive or a slave, I hope that she would be smart enough to see through you. Your "tiring of subs quickly" reflects, to me, classic fear of commitment. I think you are short-changing yourself in the long run, and possibly damaging some women along the way.

And back on the original question's content- I don't think your "trickery" of surprising the sub with urine instead of semen is a bad thing- I would not even term it as a "trick". However, your lying about their displeasing you is the bad part. In fact, that shows a great lack of true mastery ability.

I'm sure every true sub, slave, Dom/me, Master, Mistress knows how powerful the thought of displeasing the one you serve is. To use that deceitfully is terribly immature, unfair, irresponsible, unproductive, and destructive. Just the opposite of what a good D/s relationship should be.

So, Jiggy, whatever it is you do, whether in reality or simply in your mind, I believe you need a new calling.

I agree with Rhabbi, very well put, I had been thinking that the poster was just trying to guage a certain reaction to his post, but at times I have a difficult time trying to relay my message into a simple sentence or paragraph. You have put the whole thing into a proper perspective. And I am glad that you did.

[jiggy]

well if you all ever want to open yourselves to new ideas let me know. To those of you who PM'd me for what I did next..........i have sent you all a PM.

Thanks

[tessa]

To those of you who PM'd me for what I did next...i have sent you all a PM.

Thanks

That was thoughtful of you, jiggy. My thanks.

tessa

[MajesticFae]

I think if my Dom did that to me, he wouldn't be my Dom anymore.

Unless your sub is into urine play, that would be completely uncalled for. If she's not into urine play, I'd call that abuse, especially if it's a limit for her. If you want to punish her, find a better way to tell her you're not pleased with her blowjobs if that really is the case.

If you do it just to do it and then lie to her, well, you're what we call a "wannabe Dom" around here. It's your job to take care of her and let her know that she can trust you completely, lying to her is a good way to kill that bond you two have.

[caligirl{Rob}]

smiles and nods in agreement......with trust You do not need to "trick"

[Dragon's muse]

I think if my Dom did that to me, he wouldn't be my Dom anymore.

Unless your sub is into urine play, that would be completely uncalled for. If she's not into urine play, I'd call that abuse, especially if it's a limit for her. If you want to punish her, find a better way to tell her you're not pleased with her blowjobs if that really is the case.

If you do it just to do it and then lie to her, well, you're what we call a "wannabe Dom" around here. It's your job to take care of her and let her know that she can trust you completely, lying to her is a good way to kill that bond you two have.

what she said.

[JayTC]

Forgive me, for intruding on this conversation, but.....I shall...trust is something that takes a long time to build, and no time at all to break. In an M/s, D/s relationship there really is NO room to break trust. Or else, what are you left with? Nothing? Nobody to Dominate, and certainly no level of your submissive's commitment, and trust in you. So where is the fun in that? I don't frankly see any.

I never have to trick my slave. Like mostly everyone here has reflected upon, her displeasing me is probably one of the worst feelings she feels. It is not so much the punishment but her knowing that she did something to displease me.

My suggestion, just a suggestion though....go back to square one....if you are trying to "trick" a sub into "believing she gave you a bad blowjob," then you certainly don't have your priorities straight....OR perhaps you are not too good at knowing what type of blowjob you like and can't give a good description of what you want? It's a hard blow to a sub to think she is doing something to please you, and you turn it the other way around. Don't send mixed signals, tell them what you want, how you want it, and that's it! I think I have said enough. Shakes head.....

[jiggy]

Well another new sub copped a golden shower squirt

She handled it well and realizes she needs to do more to please me in the future. A true sub will except any punishment given by her dom without question.

[Rhabbi]

WRONG

Well another new sub copped a golden shower squirt

She handled it well and realizes she needs to do more to please me in the future. A true sub will except any punishment given by her dom without question.

WRONG

If I say anything more than this I would lowering myself.

[annie]

Well another new sub copped a golden shower squirt

She handled it well and realizes she needs to do more to please me in the future. A true sub will except any punishment given by her dom without question.

A true sub will realize your "tricks" as actually abuse...

And will question how much of a "true" dom you are...

[MajesticFae]

WRONG

WRONG

If I say anything more than this I would lowering myself.

What he said.

[JayTC]

I refuse to say anymore! To think this is what gives the lifestyle a "bad rap." Shakes head, and walks away.

[~*crimson_flower*~]

A sub gives up such a huge amount of power to his/her Dom, and abusing that by tricking him/her just seems like a violation of the whole thing...What am unsavoury thing to do.

[nk_lion]

Well another new sub copped a golden shower squirt

She handled it well and realizes she needs to do more to please me in the future. A true sub will except any punishment given by her dom without question.

I think you're interpretation of the whole bdsm lifestyle is way of.

From what I've heard from both dom/mes and subs is that a sub will never be pushed beyond what he or she is comfortable with (discretion lies with the dom/me). Even if that boundry is pushed, it's done carefully and with purpose to reach a new level in satisfaction with sex or whatever else they are trying to achieve. A master's role is not to dish out any type punishment as he sees fit, even if a sub isn't protesting, it is your job to make sure she is alright.

[Can's Peaches]

Well another new sub copped a golden shower squirt

She handled it well and realizes she needs to do more to please me in the future. A true sub will except any punishment given by her dom without question.

I wonder if the subs you choose are new to the lifestyle and don't know any better about how a Dom should treat them. I am some what new to the lifestyle and I am damn glad that I found a Dom that was willing to be patient with me and earn my trust. He does not have to trick me to please him, communication is a very big part of our relationship and it sounds like that is something you are lacking if you have to trick your subs.

[jiggy]

Well my subs come back for more so they know what is good for them

I treat my subs well........they are people like anyone else..............

[ThisYouWillDo]

What is flaming?

I am having a hard time believing jiggy in the first place. In the second, that isn't a trick, it's an abuse of trust. It's worse than that: it's a rejection of the tribute the sub is paying. It's degrading her.

And even if she's into degradation (I never met anyone who is) it's a mean spirited person who does the degrading.

TYWD

[Guest 91108]

I agree with Peaches.

And Jiggy.. I've never read someone's words and disbelieved every word they say as much as i do you.

[moptop]

Right on, Wolfie. jiggy, I Do not believe your 'subs' come back for more; I do not believe you are a Dom, or even a dom. Yes, of course, some people are into degradation. Yes, of course it is possible that you find yourself girls - and I'm sure they're girls, not women - who think that being abused, confused and degraded is what subbing is all about. I just hope for them that they find someone else - after you've got 'bored' with them - who actually knows how to help them find happiness and fulfilment in the life.

I do wonder, now - is it that you move on pretty quickly because you get bored, or is it just that you can't keep a sub and you can't admit it to yourself?

[cadence]

jiggy, I would have given you the benefit of the doubt, but you fail to give anyone a reason to take you seriously.

If you are doing this for shock value, you are doing a great job!

If you are doing this because you believe that this is how a Dom should act, then you should seriously consider what a Dom is.

If you are doing this because this is your thing, and your so called subs are fully aware of your kinks, and expect to recieve a "so called punishment" and do not mind your style or actually enjoy it. Then more power to you.
But if you do not elaborate with better statements or answers than what you are doing now. No one will ever respect nor believe that you are genuine.

[tessa]

I do believe that jiggy is getting just what he wants from all this. ~sighs~

Despite jiggy's intent, it is great to see that our wonderful little community has many intelligent, thoughtful people who truly know what's good and right about Dominance and submission. And that is something to be happy about.

tessa

[His_pita]

I have to agree with Tessa and her last post. I've returned to this board and I'm happy to see that it is still filled with mindful and thoughtful people who take this lifestyle serious and give it the respect it's due.

There will always be those that like to shock with their behavior. I for one don't believe a word that the OP has posted, and that is not flaming, it is a simple opinion based on common sense. If it is true then someday retribution will occur and god bless the little subbie that gives it.

[Ocean_Soul]

I treat my subs well........they are people like anyone else..............

What happened to "treat em mean to keep em keen"?

[Eponine]

Well another new sub copped a golden shower squirt

She handled it well and realizes she needs to do more to please me in the future. A true sub will except any punishment given by her dom without question.

i wonder why we are all responding to this post.. lol.. i think it's fairly clear, he must be just doing it for the reaction... i highly doubt any of it is really happening... and if it is... imagine what type of women he is getting anyway.. they might be out "subbing" to many other "doms" as well... who could take him seriously?

Obviously, he does not have a good grasp on the English language either- jiggy, dear, in the context of your statement, "A true sub will except..," the correct spelling of that homophone is "accept."

((sorry, mods, is that flaming?? it's just like nails on a chalkboard to me, i had to write something...))

Good luck to you!

[Ocean_Soul]

i wonder why we are all responding to this post.. lol.. i think it's fairly clear, he must be just doing it for the reaction... i highly doubt any of it is really happening... and if it is... imagine what type of women he is getting anyway..

Yeah, all of what you said is probably true. But hey, gives us a chance to post something.

[Eponine]

i just had a thought on this-
maybe jiggy is serious about this act... I think it would be okay if when you tell the sub you are displeased with the bj- it is not meant seriously, it's just like saying she's a "naughty girl" but not really meaning that..

But shocking the sub with an unexpected punishment when they really haven't displeased you is unhealthy- to make the sub feel she has disappointed you when in actuality she hasn't- that's abusive to me.

[jiggy]

I won't engage in flaming. Feel free to believe if you want............if you don't no probs.

An "open minded" Dom and sub gernerally have a closer "bond" and are happy to engage in all activities if the end result is to please - Master

Something to think about and look outside the "box"

Once again thanks for the nice PM's from BM's who have told me to ignore the flamers here.

[pixie_dust]

There is only one thing I would like to comment about here.

If there is any truth whatsoever to what is being posted here, I believe one should consider what type of psychological effects this is having on the girls.

There hasn't been much mentioned other than the unfairness to them. I can't help but wonder what type of relationship they could possibly have with anyone in the future, when they have lost the ability to trust in another person on an intimate level.

Just my two cents.

[tessa]

~huggles for Wolfie for being so thoughtful...and cute, despite what he says~

jiggy, I see no flaming in this thread. I've seen people responding to your posts and the information therein because I'm pretty sure they all believe it is outside the realm of safe, sane and consensual. BDSM is many different things to as many different people, and that's ok. Different kinks for different pervs and all. But in this community, one thing stays constant for 99.99% of us here. And that is that ALL people are to be treated with dignity and respect at ALL times. Look outside that box and you're looking the wrong way.

If anyone on the Mod Squad sees any flaming, rest assured it will be dealt with. So glad to know you aren't going to engage in that particular evil.

tessa