Out of body religious experiences

[Guest 91108]

Christianity has so many flaws, I won't touch that part. However.. step outside the concept of organised religion and go into true individual spirituality and you will know what the truth is..
Stop being so concerned with what can be proven. and think from within.

science is like the media.. it gets it's own spin conjured up for it's own reasons. Just ask the pharmacuetical companies.

[TomOfSweden]

Christianity has so many flaws, I won't touch that part. However.. step outside the concept of organised religion and go into true individual spirituality and you will know what the truth is..
Stop being so concerned with what can be proven. and think from within.

science is like the media.. it gets it's own spin conjured up for it's own reasons. Just ask the pharmacuetical companies.

I don't get it. Why would we reach a better understanding of truth by turning to our own individual spirituality? I wouldn't for a second assume that I have the knowledge required to evaluate all the freaky and unexplained stuff appearing in my head and happening around me. I think that's pretty arrogant.

I don't think for a second that you think that evidence isn't necessary. We don't believe anything without proof. The question is where we put the bar for when the evidence is enough and how we draw conclusions. If I hear the voice of my dead grandmother. That is proof to me that I hear the voice. Whether or not you take that as evidence of a specific supernatural entity is another matter.

If you hear the voice of god in your head and you believe it really was god, then that is sufficient proof for you. The problem arises that if we would explain it with you hallucinating, which is backed up by the same amount of evidence then the evidence is 1-1, which shouldn't be enough to draw any conclusion. And that's just using one other explanation. If we start mixing in other religions or other forms of sound mix ups, (like it was a voice from the TV) it quickly becomes messy.

Just the fact that a thought/feeling pops up in our head is evidence that the thought exists, has relevance and we will evaluate it, whether or not you chose to use that terminology. If you go into a room and "vibe it in" you are doing research and you are comparing and evaluating evidence. It's just not scientific research. Even though I don't disregard research done in this fashion I don't value it as highly as methodical research. Do you?

I don't dispute for a second that science has a tendency to get carried away with its findings and over dramatize projected results. Global warming anyone? But that still isn't a case against science. As I've said earlier, just because science can't explain something doesn't give any added credibility to any other form of explanation.