Watch Christopher Hitchens Get Waterboarded

[rora]

We were attacked in our homeland on 9-11. People seem to forget that. It wasn't something I asked for, nor was this war something I asked for. No one asked my opinion, before either event.

War is not fun. It is not pleasant. It is not a picnic. How do you begin to fight someone who would strap a suicide vest on a child? What kind of mentality is that? What kind of cowards hide in a Mosque, and fire on troops when they know they won't shoot back? Or hide in a school full of children...or a hospital? Nothing seems to be beneath them.

I lived thru the Nam era. My brother and several good friends were . We lost several friends. Family friends...one was in the Bataan Death March. My Dad fought in WWII. His father was a soldier before him. My list of family soldiers goes on and on...including my hubby and a son.

War is horrible. I KNOW this.

I am not a debater. I never learned the 'art'. To me it is like fighting or arguing, and I hate that. I always have.

All I can say is...if water boarding saves lives, then I am for it.

God Bless America and our troops.

Have a Happy and safe 4th everyone.

This ole hide (as my cuz lovingly calls me) is off to pedal her ass. (that's what my hubby calls riding my bike).

[AdrianaAurora]

On topic, I am really trying to be non judgmental, but I have to say that what you are asking I find disturbing and scary.

But this thread has got sidetracked in a rather pointless debate - weather water boarding is justified or not? If it weren't so pathetic and sad, it would be freaking hilarious. Water boarding doesn't work, and this fact renders all debate, justified or not, pointless. But then when was the last time Bushie zealots cared for logic, reason, intelligence, proof, or pretty much anything America stands for?

We were attacked in our homeland on 9-11. People seem to forget that. It wasn't something I asked for, nor was this war something I asked for. No one asked my opinion, before either event.

War is not fun. It is not pleasant. It is not a picnic. How do you begin to fight someone who would strap a suicide vest on a child? What kind of mentality is that? What kind of cowards hide in a Mosque, and fire on troops when they know they won't shoot back? Or hide in a school full of children...or a hospital? Nothing seems to be beneath them.

I agree, but you discard few very important facts. 1) American careless and arrogant foreign policy enabled this to happen;
2) That policy, at the detriment of American people, made some very (in)competent and evil people, who support or are part of US government very rich;
And my favorite, 3) people tortured by American soldiers are innocent. People they water board have no connection with September 11.
99.99% of those water boarded had no connection to any terrorist activity. No useful information has been gained by it. And Bush isnt and never was a competent politician. Dont play a victim, World offered their sympathy and support after 9/11 and what did US do? They attacked a country who had nothing to do with it.

And here is the disconnect and utter irony, Patriot Act, pro-war trigger-happy supporters have more in common with core values of Islamic fundamentalist then with those of the Founding Fathers.

How do you fight these people? You start by not becoming like them.

Rather let the crime of the guilty go unpunished than condemn the innocent. Justinian I, Law Code, A.D. 535

They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.
Benjamin Franklin