Quote Originally Posted by Flaming_Redhead View Post
I have nothing against erotic humiliation. In fact, it's one of my major turn-ons. I'll happily answer to just about anything my lover chooses to call me. What I do have a problem with in this lifestyle is the almost constant verbal degradation of those perceived to be at the extreme end of the spectrum in regards to submission. We call them all manner of things, including unsophisticated, timid, needy, and weak, but most often, we refer to them as doormats.

Where can they (we?) find a safe haven and acceptance, if not here in the lifestyle? With everyone encouraging others to just be themselves, why does it always feel like they're (we're?) not included?
Quote Originally Posted by Flaming_Redhead View Post
In the first paragraph, I used terms that I'd read in this very forum, two of them from the thread on verbal humiliation. The prejudice is insidious and unlikely to offend the majority. The minority it does offend are unllikely to speak up, but I'm doing it now.

I haven't read all of the responses here, but what I gather from your post and the statements above, you are asking about the submissives who choose/need to live a life in such a way that most others cannot really understand or fathom.

From what I understand you are trying to convey that when a submissive discusses something that the majority are not comfortable with, the submissive begins to feel left out, and partly ostracized for declaring such a fact.

A submissive who states that being able to not have an orgasm for a week and remembering to thank thier Master for allowing them to control it, is loudly applauded for such a difficult feat.

A submissive who states that being able to be verbally abused, slapped, spit on and have thier head shaved while thanking thier Master is not so loudly applauded. These actions are questioned and thusly the submissive feels ashamed for declaring a need that is very strong for them.


Did I understand that correctly? If I didn't sorry. It was what I interpreted the post to be.

To be honest, I don't have the answers, it's frustrating at best to enjoy and want to live in a way that others really don't understand.
It's not that I believe others to be judgmental, it's just that when you start to move to the far end of the submissive spectrum, you have to expect that not everyone will understand it. I would at times rather not voice my wants, needs or choices, but in the end, why should I keep quiet about what I want and enjoy.