I personally find it a crime and beyound reprehensible to push a girl past any pre-established hard limit, period.

Too many ,in the throws of passion or otherwise, have submitted to an activity with permament life changing negative phycological damage.

The dominant is ultimately the responsible party and should possess the self control and disipline required to say "No, I will not do that too you at this time," or "No, we need to talk this over at a later time."

The complete saftey (including phycological) of one's submissive should be of paramont importance.

The "oh she did't use the safe word so it must be ok" excuse simply doesnt fly in my book.

Especially when she is compartmentalized into what many here call "sub-space" or under other not so extreme seeming forms of phycological compulsion to "be pleasing".

If one does not possess the wisdom to act with honor and "wield the whip of dominion" with the upmost of care; then perhaps one is not ready to venture into such dealings as those of a Master to his slave.