BDSM And Feminism: Intertwined? How So?

[denuseri]

LMAO <<I shall have to pm you about the shopistry thingy., and yes I was on a rant.



To clarify, when I am speaking of feminism i am generally refering to how it has made me feel, as opposed to oxfords or anyone elses deffinition of it.

Damy, your definition in paticualr from an earlier post of what feminism is; was not inclusive by oxfords standards, it was more what came from your heart or what you have been taught to think in school I assume.
And you obviously feel like people have attacked it. Where as I am indeed only attacking the far extremist side of feminism.

I actually agree that violence against wemon and many other social wrongs should be righted, I simply dont subscribe that being a "feminist" is the best way to do it.

As for histories perspective individual teachers have a tendency to focus on what they feel is important, often to the exclusion of the truth so i dont doubt that if you had a feminist teacher that they told you the history of the world was a dark terible place for all females becuase we were so opressed etc.

I fortunately have a really strong gag reflex and dont allways swallow everything that a professor trys to push down my throat is infact gospel.

I prefer to reaserch it from many different angles and follow my heart some when determining the truth of things. Which is how i came to understand how much influence we as women have actually had on society as child bearers and rearers (prime position to teach children including boys how to become men) as well as cotesans, priestessess, queens, empressess, merchants, warriors,etc etc the list goes on.

I do however judge the theory that feminism is based upon (by its oxford deffenition of equality) as being illogical in its supposition as it relates to my own ethical standards becuase it asks me to believe in something i consider to be a lie, equality is a utopian ideal and I dont believe in any way that any two people are truely equal.

Living where I live and being born and raised in a somwhat different culture from that in which i currently reside; I honestly do feel assualted on a daily basis by the pervading dogma of a feminism that attempts to emasculate the males around it.

To say that becuase I disagree with feminism means that I some how support putting the female half of the species into som kind of "mold" or under the jeapordy of certian cruelty at the hands of men is preposterous to say the least.

To say that I think all women should be incapable of thinking other than the way I do belays an ignorance that I can only subcribe to the fact that who ever thinks thats how I feel doesnt really know me at all or they are in fact trying to be hurtful or use sophistry to make a point.

It is statements like those that cuase my little beast to stir and go grrrr and come out with a rant against the hipocracy of those types of statements with my own sometimes equally sanguine statements.


Many cultures have provided near equal or better oppertunities to women throughout history and they didnt need a feminist movement to do it.

The fact that in America one seemed nessesary at the time is ironic, of course the entire united states, just as much of weastern europes culture preceding its emergence from the victorian era was rife with struggle trying to adapt to the rapid industrialization of human society and many men and women (yes we as wemon could have prevented this as we have great influence) made mistakes during that period that cuased certian dogmas to prevail despite thier preposterous lack of logical observation, hence the misconseption that only white anglo saxon males had any fortitude or intelectual capacity, (1800's) which eventually cuased a swing of the cultural pendulem in the other direction (1900's) that we are still riding today of which feminism is a part.


I have prety much said all I can say.

Peace my sisters.

(funny how the men are avoiding this thread like a plague huh?)











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