BDSM And Feminism: Intertwined? How So?

[hopperboo]

I especially love women who live their lives one way, like have a job. But then tell me how all societies flaws are a blame of a working mother.

I think a lot of society flaws are due to the mother being out of the picture. Or being absent when they do finally come home. (That and of course marriages breaking up). A woman can have a career and still be a great mom. It's about the quality of the parenting when they get home and how much time is really spent at home with the child. In my opinion of course.

Do you know how my husband calls this thread? Jealousy thread!

Some of us are that strong, some of us can keep up and those that cant...- they are "ladies" and "not feminists".

So 'ladies' who aren't feminists (or do not consider themselves such) are jealous of those women who are hardcore feminists?

I am not jealous of a feminist woman. I am very happy with the thought of staying home and raising my children whenever that time comes.

A woman is a woman. One is a lady if they act as such.

I do concern myself with my career. I am one of, if not the best in my field. I take HUGE pride in that. I concern myself with my husband and my child just as much. My son is loved, well taken care of, accomplished and well behaved. I spend more time with him, than most "stay at homes" do.

Well good for you. (And in case that came off in a sarcastic manner, it's not sarcasm).

How exactly do you know how much time a stay at home mother spends with her child/children?

I do not think I am "equal in all ways" to a man. I am. I proved it.

Am I better than all men in all things? No. But I am better than most men in most things, that includes intelligence and (physical) strength.

I said they are equal on different ground. In different ways. I never said they deserved less respect than a man.

And do you know why there arent any Navy SEAL "females", beacuse women are NOT ALLOWED to be Navy SEALs!!!

Yeah, because 99.9% of women couldn't handle it physically. And I think that is being generous.

Every single one of them fought for equal rights, for fair treatment of themsleves and other women.

I never said a woman shouldn't have fair treatment and equal rights.

So I dont need anyone to tell me how "good" and "perfect" place the world was for women back then, I heard the true "hard facts" from their lips and diaries. And each of them looked and behaved like a lady, in a manner you will never live up to.

I never said the world was good and perfect. Children were brought up with better morals and values than today's children though. And I certainly don't think that is all due to women not raising their children, but I do think it's a big part of it.

I most certainly never chased my husband or any man. And once you get past all the romantic crap, the truth of the matter is - my husband married me because I wasnt a WAG, because I wasnt with him for his money. Because I didnt need him to take care of me, in any way, because he was fed up with all the little subs and their "rescue me" sob stories. [I]He married me because I was His equal.

So you think a stay home mother just wants a man for his money? Lovely. I think it's ironic it is that feminists want equal rights for women, though if a woman chooses to be a stay home mother than they are somehow 'lower class' than a working mother and a feminist woman.

[AdrianaAurora]

So you think a stay home mother just wants a man for his money? Lovely. I think it's ironic it is that feminists want equal rights for women, though if a woman chooses to be a stay home mother than they are somehow 'lower class' than a working mother and a feminist woman.

I am a working mother.

I don't think a woman who stays at home is "lower class".

But lets look at the reality:

A million times repeated scenario - a boy and a girl hook up, get married, they have children and she is the one who stays at home.

I deal with and see all types of stay-at-homes wives/mothers on a daily basis. With some, I am friends and we talk about everything.

But if I have to discuss something important, and especially if its money/business related, her opinion - whether you like it or not - at the end doesn't matter. And I have nothing to do with that. Her husband naturally takes over the conversation, he talks to me as an equal, but sidelines his wife. And this guys aren't chauvinists! They are model and loving husbands and fathers, some even ask for their wives opinion, but then they just decide over it, because he knows better, , even when they dont. And remember, these are just vanilla couples. They never assume they know better than me.

Back to my example, boy will carry the girl on the palm of his hand, until he finds one younger and more interesting. Boom, divorce!
Do you know what half of the people (usually conservative types, the kind that speak against "feminists" here) say, (this is based on countless examples, I can provide transcripts), in short - she is just a leach, he is the one who earned the money! Its the feminists and liberal types that say, she is the one who supported and enabled (the bastard) to do that, raised his kids, kept his house - she is entitled to half.

So now the boy and the girl are divorced, and where does that leave her? Her sense of identity is crushed. If she is really lucky, she got a fer alimony settlement and he is willing to pay it without a fuss; but people will still talk about it behind her back. If she is not so lucky, she will have to get a job and what will be her prospects, or live of benefits.

IMO, on this I am with men. Regardless of which party initiated the divorce, I don't think He should be expected to pay spousal support to a woman who is no longer his wife. And its still men who who usually pay alimony, because men are usually bigger earners!

p.s. 99.9% of men cant handle SEAL training, so whats your point? That because you couldn't, its fer to that one woman who can, that she isn't even given a chance? Nice.

[MMI]

I am a working mother.

I don't think a woman who stays at home is "lower class".

But lets look at the reality:

A million times repeated scenario - a boy and a girl hook up, get married, they have children and she is the one who stays at home.

I deal with and see all types of stay-at-homes wives/mothers on a daily basis. With some, I am friends and we talk about everything.

But if I have to discuss something important, and especially if its money/business related, her opinion - whether you like it or not - at the end doesn't matter. And I have nothing to do with that. Her husband naturally takes over the conversation, he talks to me as an equal, but sidelines his wife. And this guys aren't chauvinists! They are model and loving husbands and fathers, some even ask for their wives opinion, but then they just decide over it, because he knows better, , even when they dont. And remember, these are just vanilla couples. They never assume they know better than me.

Back to my example, boy will carry the girl on the palm of his hand, until he finds one younger and more interesting. Boom, divorce!
Do you know what half of the people (usually conservative types, the kind that speak against "feminists" here) say, (this is based on countless examples, I can provide transcripts), in short - she is just a leach, he is the one who earned the money! Its the feminists and liberal types that say, she is the one who supported and enabled (the bastard) to do that, raised his kids, kept his house - she is entitled to half.

So now the boy and the girl are divorced, and where does that leave her? Her sense of identity is crushed. If she is really lucky, she got a fer alimony settlement and he is willing to pay it without a fuss; but people will still talk about it behind her back. If she is not so lucky, she will have to get a job and what will be her prospects, or live of benefits.

IMO, on this I am with men. Regardless of which party initiated the divorce, I don't think He should be expected to pay spousal support to a woman who is no longer his wife. And its still men who who usually pay alimony, because men are usually bigger earners!

p.s. 99.9% of men cant handle SEAL training, so whats your point? That because you couldn't, its fer to that one woman who can, that she isn't even given a chance? Nice.

My God! If you truly believe that, you are sooo sexist!! No - I don't believe you do belive it truly. You are making a point by exaggeration, surely.

That's ok then. Feminist propaganda.

But, for your information, I am aware of many women who "control the purse strings" - it probably divides up into equal numbers. (Even wifey quizzes me on what I've used my credit card for sometimes ...)

[AdrianaAurora]

You have all these preconceived notions about who Feminists are. And yet it is you who constantly is trying to make this into that men and women are enemies. I don't see it that way, I think men are wonderful creatures, that doesn't mean that I am blind about how things really are. All I would like is for the society to outgrow the point where I have to defend my right to have a job, hold the position of power and earn my own money. Its pathetic that I still have to.


... is necessary because they have no other useful role in society than to be "provider".

Thats not true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My God! If you truly believe that, you are sooo sexist!! No - I don't believe you do belive it truly. You are making a point by exaggeration, surely.

That's ok then.

You do have other uses.

Everybody knows that men are better cooks. And while is possible without you, its not nearly as fun. I do need someone to . And some of you are actually nice to look at

I am aware of many women who "control the purse strings" - it probably divides up into equal numbers. (Even wifey
quizzes me on what I've used my credit card for sometimes ...)

How people choose to negotiate their relationship between their four walls - I couldn't care less.


But when you say that women shouldn't work - to make room for someone less capable - thats sexist bullshit. It wakes my inner Domme, . Men and women are entitled to the same (job) opportunities and may the best candidate win.

[hopperboo]

I don't think a woman who stays at home is "lower class".

Yes you do. One just has to read your posts to realize this.

Back to my example, boy will carry the girl on the palm of his hand, until he finds one younger and more interesting. Boom, divorce!
Do you know what half of the people (usually conservative types, the kind that speak against "feminists" here) say, (this is based on countless examples, I can provide transcripts), in short - she is just a leach, he is the one who earned the money!

Then I am hoping to be a leach. I want the ability to raise my own children.

p.s. 99.9% of men cant handle SEAL training, so whats your point? That because you couldn't, its fer to that one woman who can, that she isn't even given a chance? Nice.

I am not a supporter of women being in the Special Ops. SEAL or otherwise.

[AdrianaAurora]

I am not a supporter of women being in the Special Ops. SEAL or otherwise.

You seem to think that you are better than women who choose to find something meaningful in working outside of the house, after marriage and kids. And yet you find us threatening. You might want to ask yourself why.

Might I point out, that you have a choice whether or not to stay at home. How dare you presume that there is not a single woman out there capable of being a SEAL. She should be entitled to make that choice for herself. And given an opportunity to prove herself.

If you like, we can apply your double standard to you and see how it feels - I am not in support of women like you being in the payed workforce. You cost money. Money is wasted on your training - and then one day you just don't show up at work. Its women like you that make the question, "are you planning to have a baby and getting married soon?" a legitimate one and yet employers who ask are called chauvinistic and sexist. It results in lesser pay for all women. You cost those "young males" their jobs. And he hates feminists for it, .

[hopperboo]

You seem to think that you are better than women who choose to find something meaningful in working outside of the house, after marriage and kids.

No, not at all. My mom was a full time teacher while I was growing up. I see nothing wrong at all with a woman who wants to keep working (part or full time) after a children. I do however find women who chose their careers over their husband and children to be lacking. And in case I am not making myself clear on this point that goes for men that choose their careers over their wives and children too.

How dare you presume that there is not a single woman out there capable of being a SEAL. She should be entitled to make that choice for herself. And given an opportunity to prove herself.

*Shrugs.*

If you like, we can apply your double standard

What double standard is that?

I am not in support of women like you being in the payed workforce.

Women like me?

Oh, you mean women who are or want to be stay at home wives/moms?

and then one day you just don't show up at work.

I don't give a fuck if you want to rip at my opinions. But don't you dare slander my integrity. I would never 'just not show up at work.'

[AdrianaAurora]

I don't give a fuck if you want to rip at my opinions. But don't you dare slander my integrity. I would never 'just not show up at work.'