Quote Originally Posted by denuseri View Post
The real fact is:

Wemon have made choices throughout human history long long long before the advent of the so called "feminist" movement.


Anyone can make a choice. A prisoner can make the choice to be free, but is still in prison.

Women have always been able to make choices to be free, independent, educated etc., but those choices meant nothing in societies which did not allow women to do those things. Feminism is the belief that women who make such choices should be allowed to act on them. It still leaves the others free to make the choices that society used to dictate for them.
We didn't need Feminism to make any desicions for us.
No, women needed feminists (who were, in case we forget, also women, not aliens from space imposing alien ideas) to change society so that they could carry out those decisions.

Feminists didn't make the decision for you who to vote for: they made it possible for you to vote, so your decision would actually mean something.

If your decision is not to vote because real women don't need to, you also have that choice, but a lot of people do want to. Would you deny them that choice to validate yours?
We have through out our existance beguiled, alured and even rarely forced our way into every avenue of power in every way possible, just fine without "feminism" or it's unnatural dogma.
No, not in any way possible: as your very clear description states, in the sidelong and undercover ways possible to people who are denied real control of their lives. All of which ways are still available to anyone (man or woman) who wants to use them, but thanks to several hundred years of feminism you can also do it in the ways free adults do.
It is in fact the feminists; with thier not so cleverly hidden agenda of emasculation, that would have us belive we would be channelled into one mold without choice.
This is the last resort of a failed argument: Never mind what you say or do, I can see what you really want, and I don't need to present any evidence, I just say so.

There are feminists who hate men. There are also anti-feminists who hate men. It has nothing to do with the core principle.

Any man who feels emasculated because a woman earns as much as he does has a serious self-image problem.