Snuff

[leah06]

I've never thought about this, Damyanti, but I have thought a lot about the limits of consent. Here's one way to think about consensual snuff. People on here seem to be pretty unanimous against sexual activity with children. Why is that? As we've seen on a number of threads, children can be very sexual creatures, and they certainly are people with preferences. Why on earth shouldn't they be allowed to consent to mutually pleasing sexual activities with adults? I assume that for many people, as for me, one of the reasons is that we believe that children simply are not capable of giving or withholding meaningful consent in this realm. We might feel the same way about someone who's temporarily impaired - very drunk, say, or under the influence of some other drug - or someone who's mentally impaired.

So here's the thing - I don't need to make a case-by-case analysis of the sanity of someone who's willing to consent to snuff. I just don't. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that anyone who "consents" to snuff is simply incapable of giving meaningful consent.

Is there the possibility of a grey area? Sure, just as hypothetically there might be a young child who would be capable of consenting to sex with an adult. (In fact, in Margaret Atwood's Oryx and Crake there is a character who comes very close to this.) Someone posted on these threads a few months ago (I'm not giving names because I learned my lesson about this) about wanting to end the life of his terminally ill wife in one final scene of torture. I will say that most responses to this were not totally on board for the idea. But then he explained that his wife was in tremendous pain during the last days of her life, and he wished that he could translate that pain into something that she could bear and enjoy. Technically snuff? Maybe, although a minor point worth mentioning is that he didn't actually do it. But to me, this begins to seem like it falls into the area of assisted suicide rather than consensual snuff. So there might be a grey area. But just as with pedophilia, the possibility of some outliers is not enough to make me change the general rule. I think "consensual snuff" is simply an oxymoron.

I really hope that people for whom this is a deeply cherished fetish will not be offended. I'm all for fantasies and people can have whatever fantasies they want. I'm not judging you, I'm not judging your sanity. To my mind, the fact that you're still here speaks for itself.

[MissConfused]

I thought - think - of myself as "normal" in relation to this website.
I have a snuff fantasy. One that ocassionally I masturbate to. It deeply excites me.

Would I ever do it? Of Course not!
But I have come to believe that anyone is able to express their fantasies here.
We know that they are fantasies and in the majority of cases will never come to fruition BUT this is the website to mentally live our fantasies.

I guess maybe I am "strange" but I do have my own snuff fantasy.
I thought everyone who is exploring their limits also had similar fantasies.
I believe each of us has a fantasy that they will never share with others no matter how open the conversation may be.

[Misschief]

I thought - think - of myself as "normal" in relation to this website.
I have a snuff fantasy. One that ocassionally I masturbate to. It deeply excites me.

Would I ever do it? Of Course not!

I applaud Your honesty.. I know what You mean about "masturbation material" though I am turned off by snuff..

Saw a hentai cartoon (which I love) once with a snuff premise.. I was unable to masturbate for a few days after that.. It just rubbed Me wrong.. Pissed Me off, actually..

There were these 2 girls who got lost on their way to vacation, got stranded on an island where they were individually gang raped and then discarded..

Made Me the opposite of aroused..

Curious about Your fantasy, tho..

[thir]

So here's the thing - I don't need to make a case-by-case analysis of the sanity of someone who's willing to consent to snuff. I just don't. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that anyone who "consents" to snuff is simply incapable of giving meaningful consent.

I think "consensual snuff" is simply an oxymoron.
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Why, exactly?

Many people would say that consenting to be a sub or a slave would clearly show that you are not in your right mind. But we here know that it is usually an informed decision from people who know what they are doing, and who consider themselves free enough to give themselves away if they so choose.

So where does this ability to decide you own fate stop? With you apparently at death, and I also feel that the idea of killing people is extremely abhorrent.
But to me that is beside the point. The point, to me, is that a person has a right to decide their own fate. That includes suicide - who can know for another person when life is too much, or sickness or pain is too much? We live inside our own sculls, and that, to me, means that only the person themselves can decide for themselves, but also that only the persons themselves have a right to.

To me, life is only worth living in freedom, and for other people to try to take control of my life in any way what so ever is wrong, and why to them it may be a matter of compassion, to me it is a matter of the ultimate disrespect for another person.

[leo9]

So here's the thing - I don't need to make a case-by-case analysis of the sanity of someone who's willing to consent to snuff. I just don't. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that anyone who "consents" to snuff is simply incapable of giving meaningful consent.

The trouble is, this is exactly the argument we run up against in debates on suicide: any competent adult should be free to decide what they want to do with their life, but if they want to die, that proves they are incompetent to make decisions.

And as Thir pointed out, we've seen the same argument applied by people who are scared of BDSM: anyone who consents to being tied up and whipped is obviously not competent to give consent.

But I can see the difference. The fundamental problem about death, and the reason many people are against capital punishment, is that it doesn't allow of corrections or second thoughts. If you go into a heavy scene and realise it wasn't what you wanted, even if what goes wrong is that you're under a Top who won't respect your safeword, at worst the mistake can be fixed with some hospital time and trauma therapy. If you consent to be killed for the wrong reason nothing can put it right.