Climategate

[DuncanONeil]

The South polar regions are creating more ice!
"# Ice cover doubles the area of Antarctica each year -- extending the continent to approximately 30 million square miles." (http://www.antarcticconnection.com/a...snow-ice.shtml)

I misread it... Not that I can figure out what difference it makes. Running the search again...

Still not a fact.



I call foul on that one. You're dismissing evidence you don't like based on your ability to read their collective mind.



Knowing there's a cycle isn't the same as proving we're in a certain point in that cycle. On the other hand, we have plenty of evidence the increase in atmospheric CO2 mirrors the increase in temperatures over the years. I'm sorry, but thinking this is coincidental seems a little unreasonable to me.



It's over century's worth of data.

[Thorne]

The South polar regions are creating more ice!
"# Ice cover doubles the area of Antarctica each year -- extending the continent to approximately 30 million square miles." (http://www.antarcticconnection.com/a...snow-ice.shtml)

Misleading! Yes, every year the sea freezes around Antarctica, increasing the apparant size. Just as every year the ice reforms in the Arctic. But each year it also melts again. And the rate of melting is increasing. Overall, the amount of ice on the continent has been decreasing. There are some areas where the ice is growing, just as elsewhere around the globe. This is due to variations in WEATHER. But overall, the total amount of ice is dropping.

[steelish]

There are some areas where the ice is growing, just as elsewhere around the globe. But overall, the total amount of ice is dropping.

Huh? Didn't you just contradict yourself?

[Wiscoman]

Huh? Didn't you just contradict yourself?

No. Glaciers are actually expanding in places like Mt. St. Helens, where volcanic activity melted it. Now that the event has ended, the ice comes back. But it won't be as large as it was before the eruption and then it will begin to recede again.

Think of it in terms of profit and loss. Just because a store sells a gallon of milk, it doesn't mean the store is profitable. If the losses are greater than the sales, you're still screwed. Likewise, if the loss of ice is greater than the gains, it's a net loss.

[DuncanONeil]

And there are reports of an increase in volcanic activity. Perhaps that is the planet changing the atmosphere. If that is the case, and we futz with the atmosphere, perhaps we would be making it too cool

No. Glaciers are actually expanding in places like Mt. St. Helens, where volcanic activity melted it. Now that the event has ended, the ice comes back. But it won't be as large as it was before the eruption and then it will begin to recede again.

Think of it in terms of profit and loss. Just because a store sells a gallon of milk, it doesn't mean the store is profitable. If the losses are greater than the sales, you're still screwed. Likewise, if the loss of ice is greater than the gains, it's a net loss.

[Thorne]

Huh? Didn't you just contradict yourself?

I don't think so. The ice gets thicker in some places, due to localized weather conditions, and thinner in other places. Overall, though, the warming is having an effect.

[DuncanONeil]

That was a quote I could find. But you show what I keep saying. The fact that the area doubles each year is simply dismissed as not being a bit important since it affects the AGW mantra.
For what you say to be true, the area has to double each year and that much and more must melt, each year.
Also reports have been both heard and seen that the depth of the ice cover on the continet is increasing as well. I could not find a quote in the time alloted to produce responses.

Misleading! Yes, every year the sea freezes around Antarctica, increasing the apparant size. Just as every year the ice reforms in the Arctic. But each year it also melts again. And the rate of melting is increasing. Overall, the amount of ice on the continent has been decreasing. There are some areas where the ice is growing, just as elsewhere around the globe. This is due to variations in WEATHER. But overall, the total amount of ice is dropping.