The Death Penalty or Life Meaning Life

[MMI]

I only introduced gun control as an alternative to imposing capital punishment, den. I'll debate the merits of gun control with anyone till the come home, but that wasn't my purpose in the last message.

[DuncanONeil]

The problem here is that there is gun control and then there is GUN CONTROL.

Much of what Thorne had said in regard to training and the permitting process is a form of gun control. Too often "gun control" is understood to mean a limit on ownership. This is actually illegal in the US.

"Monday, June 28, 2010

Supreme Court rules Second Amendment applies to states
Hillary Stemple at 11:15 AM ET

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[JURIST] The US Supreme Court ... on Monday ruled [opinion, PDF] 5-4 in McDonald v. Chicago ... that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment makes the Second Amendment ... right to bear arms applicable to the states as well as the federal government. The case arose over a city of Chicago ordinance effectively banning the possession of handguns. ... Justice Samuel Alito, delivering the opinion of the court, cited the court's 2008 opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller ... and reversed and remanded the case for further proceedings, stating:

In Heller, we held that the Second Amendment protects the right to possess a handgun in the home for the purpose of self-defense. Unless considerations of stare decisis counsel otherwise, a provision of the Bill of Rights that protects a right that is fundamental from an American perspective applies equally to the Federal Government and the States. We therefore hold that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment right recognized in Heller.

(http://jurist.org/paperchase/2010/06...-to-states.php)

I only introduced gun control as an alternative to imposing capital punishment, den. I'll debate the merits of gun control with anyone till the come home, but that wasn't my purpose in the last message.

[Thorne]

Too often "gun control" is understood to mean a limit on ownership.

I don't know where I got this (it might even have been somewhere here) but it seems appropriate.

[MMI]

I don't know where I got this (it might even have been somewhere here) but it seems appropriate.

Amusing, and illustrates precisely the false logic used to undermine gun-control. The question is not, would the dead woman be alive if she'd had a gun (my own view is that 80% of the time, she probably wouldn't have had time to pull the gun and shoot it), but, was the dead man really a rapist?

Furthermore, if the maximum penalty for rape is (say) lifetime in prison, what gives a woman the right to summarily execute men she is afraid of, or over-possessive fathers the right to murder kids whom they suspect of taking advantage of their innocent daughters?

[DuncanONeil]

I bet I know what that link says without going there!
"Gun control means using two hands!"

I don't know where I got this (it might even have been somewhere here) but it seems appropriate.

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