Old School what is it to you?

[PropertyOfMasterJoey]

Master and i are alot like that. i'm the type of girl that wants to stay home, cook, clean, and hopefully one day take care of the kids, and other things that stereotypical women do but freakin femminist made it to where i can't live the lifestyle i prefer because it goes agaisnt the idea of free women or some bs like that. Master loves that i'm like that cuz He's the type that wants to go to work, come home to his hot meal waiting on the table. That's the W/way both of U/us were raised and that's how W/we like it.

[hopperboo]

Master and i are alot like that. i'm the type of girl that wants to stay home, cook, clean, and hopefully one day take care of the kids, and other things that stereotypical women do but freakin femminist made it to where i can't live the lifestyle i prefer because it goes agaisnt the idea of free women or some bs like that. Master loves that i'm like that cuz He's the type that wants to go to work, come home to his hot meal waiting on the table. That's the W/way both of U/us were raised and that's how W/we like it.

+1 (I'm going off on a little tangent for a moment)...

I think many so-called feminist have dishonored the stay-at-home wife and stay-at-home mother. For some reason it is believed to be a lazy woman's job, wait - no, not a job at all.

Personally I believe there is no higher calling, no higher priority and no higher HONOR than to stay home and raise your own children instead of having children and then sending them to a day care to be raised.

I have some experience with this, and let me tell you...no matter how much a child loves a babysitter, a grandmother, or any caregiver nothing can replace a mother.

Again...wonderful post. It's nice to see some women that feel like I do too.



Edited to add: I don't think being sexist is that big of deal...honestly. I wish there were more sexist men and women. I'd rather scream out the door to my husband, "You're sexist for not letting me cut down that tree!" than actually go and cut down that tree by myself.

Cutting down trees is for boys.

[claire]

Master and i are alot like that. i'm the type of girl that wants to stay home, cook, clean, and hopefully one day take care of the kids, and other things that stereotypical women do but freakin femminist made it to where i can't live the lifestyle i prefer because it goes agaisnt the idea of free women or some bs like that. Master loves that i'm like that cuz He's the type that wants to go to work, come home to his hot meal waiting on the table. That's the W/way both of U/us were raised and that's how W/we like it.

RANT

This is a bit off topic, but as a feminist, I can't seem to let it slide. Feminism is about having choices. In the good 'ol 50's all women were expected to fulfill this role regardless of temperament. It was so much so, that if a man and a woman held the same job the man was paid more. because he had a family to support. Of course that ignores the fact that some women were single, divorced or widowed and were supporting a family. Women were also often denied jobs because they would just get married and quit soon or get pregnant and quit. If a husband had a credit card it was only in his name. If he and his wife got divorced, all of the credit history for mortgages etc. were in his name only. It was and still is society that denigrates stay at home moms, depicting them as wearing fuzzy slippers with their feet up, eating bon-bons and watching soap operas. How much value does our society place on homemakers? What kind of programs are in place to make it easier for women to stay at home? What kind of retirement is place for these women or/men. The economy is now structured so that it takes two incomes to come any where near the basic lifestyle my parents had and for some of you, your grandparents. We blame all of the problems we have today with violence and health of our children on everything except the fact that they have no home. Teachers are at fault for poor achievement, not the fact that with two working parents there is no time for parents to supervise homework etc. Our children and ourselves are getting fatter because no one has time to buy and cook from scratch, so we depend on fatty, salty, packaged food and take-out. We can't stay home when sick, so kids pass germs to other kids and we pass germs to our coworkers - because we don't have enough sick days to cover both our children's illnesses and our own. What about maternity leave - 6 weeks is not enough to bond with a new baby and give it the start it needs. The European Union is looking at expanding maternity leave because the minimum of 14 weeks that women get in some countries, is not enough. So don't blame feminists - blame the priorities of the society in which you live and the legislators for making those laws.

As a feminist I am about choice. If you choose to be a stay at home mom, then you should be able to raise your family on what your husband makes and have some assurance of retirement should he die or divorce you. If you are not content staying home then you should have the same job opportunities as men have. If there were more stay at home moms, then it wouldn't be so hard on the single parents who have to work, because they would have more support and resources right in their own neighborhood.If you are a man and domestically inclined and your wife likes to work, you should not be ridiculed for being Mr. Mom.

I don't know when feminists got such a bad name, but it is about equal opportunity, about valuing women in all of their roles and seeing them as contributing members of society what ever they decide to do.

Rant over.

*I know that there are many single parents and families with two working parents who do an excellent job of caring for and raising their children. My point is that it is much harder to do this than it should be.

[icey]

i dont want to detract from the thread and especially afer ambers great post but i cant help responding to this bit

How much value does our society place on homemakers? .

tbh im amazed these days that anyone can ask this question i really really am..so much positive fuss is made about mothers staying at home to raise their kids being the homemakers etc how strong they are how amazing how much hard work it is how valuable they are etc, and although working mums get credit too they still sometims get a little criticism for choosing to work, if anything the tide seems to have changed a bit again.
and in case anyones not sure, im a stay at home mum i always have been other than for a brief period, i was a single parent for many years and i have never ever had anyone treat me any differently in any of those ''roles''.

[PropertyOfMasterJoey]

RANT

This is a bit off topic, but as a feminist, I can't seem to let it slide. Feminism is about having choices. In the good 'ol 50's all women were expected to fulfill this role regardless of temperament. It was so much so, that if a man and a woman held the same job the man was paid more. because he had a family to support. Of course that ignores the fact that some women were single, divorced or widowed and were supporting a family. Women were also often denied jobs because they would just get married and quit soon or get pregnant and quit. If a husband had a credit card it was only in his name. If he and his wife got divorced, all of the credit history for mortgages etc. were in his name only. It was and still is society that denigrates stay at home moms, depicting them as wearing fuzzy slippers with their feet up, eating bon-bons and watching soap operas. How much value does our society place on homemakers? What kind of programs are in place to make it easier for women to stay at home? What kind of retirement is place for these women or/men. The economy is now structured so that it takes two incomes to come any where near the basic lifestyle my parents had and for some of you, your grandparents. We blame all of the problems we have today with violence and health of our children on everything except the fact that they have no home. Teachers are at fault for poor achievement, not the fact that with two working parents there is no time for parents to supervise homework etc. Our children and ourselves are getting fatter because no one has time to buy and cook from scratch, so we depend on fatty, salty, packaged food and take-out. We can't stay home when sick, so kids pass germs to other kids and we pass germs to our coworkers - because we don't have enough sick days to cover both our children's illnesses and our own. What about maternity leave - 6 weeks is not enough to bond with a new baby and give it the start it needs. The European Union is looking at expanding maternity leave because the minimum of 14 weeks that women get in some countries, is not enough. So don't blame feminists - blame the priorities of the society in which you live and the legislators for making those laws.

As a feminist I am about choice. If you choose to be a stay at home mom, then you should be able to raise your family on what your husband makes and have some assurance of retirement should he die or divorce you. If you are not content staying home then you should have the same job opportunities as men have. If there were more stay at home moms, then it wouldn't be so hard on the single parents who have to work, because they would have more support and resources right in their own neighborhood.If you are a man and domestically inclined and your wife likes to work, you should not be ridiculed for being Mr. Mom.

I don't know when feminists got such a bad name, but it is about equal opportunity, about valuing women in all of their roles and seeing them as contributing members of society what ever they decide to do.

Rant over.

*I know that there are many single parents and families with two working parents who do an excellent job of caring for and raising their children. My point is that it is much harder to do this than it should be.

i don't mean femminists in general because i totally agree with the idea behind it but around here there's a particular group of them tat are constantly putting me down for my decision to move in with Master straight out of highschool and immediatly mold to the "house-wife" lifestyle (though W/we're not married yet W/we plan to one day) They say terrible things about me and some even to my face about how i'm enabling men to walk all over women (lol if they only knew He was my Master they'd burn me at the stake) or how i sould have gone to college and made something of myself, as if i'm nothing without that degree. i had the grades to go to any college i wanted to but my family just couldn't afford it. i got lucky cuz Master's family owns this big company so at least as of now W/we're able to keep up the lifestyle W/we prefer. If one day i had to take up a job i would but i want it to be my choice not because a group of women dictated my decision.

[blythe spirit]

I don't know when feminists got such a bad name, but it is about equal opportunity, about valuing women in all of their roles and seeing them as contributing members of society what ever they decide to do.

Please forgive me for interrupting this thread to answer claire's question.

Whilst I believe like all causes, feminism had it's place and brought about some needed changes meant to benefit women; in the beginning too many of the feminists were "in-your-face" radicals, who were misandrists and spoke openly of their hatred for the patriarchy. And any woman who would do a man's bidding, (i.e. 1950s household) was spoken of derogatorially and looked down upon. It was to the point, that a woman was ashamed to say she was "only" a homemaker.

And in the end, what did women really gain? They now have the right to work 8 and 12 hour days and then come home and cook, clean, do the laundry, get the kids ready for bed, etc., etc., etc. and still have the energy to feel sexy for her man. lol

I now return you to the original thread currently in progress.