Abusive Submissives

[Ozme52]

Great thread and good point. I think manipulation by a Sub is a much subtler thing than manipulation by a Dom. So subtle that it can go unrecognized for quite a while. Withholding information, withholding affection, attention, etc. can be emotionally abusive on BOTH sides of the equation. But, then... we all have different opinions on what constitutes abuse.

That's funny and made me laugh out loud... because I don't know of a single case where a Dom/me subtly manipulates their submissive. We are quite direct and obvious about how we manipulate submissives.

In fact, I often announce "Of course you realize I'm manipulating you when I said that... and furthermore, I'm manipulating you by telling you that I'm manipulatiing you."

Followed by the inevitable question... "So did that make you wet?"

[BryansGrrrl]

That's funny and made me laugh out loud...

LOL, yes it was funny when looked @ that way. But I meant the more insidious, nasty "But you'd do this if you love me..." Or "I am now mad at you because you didn't do this, even if you DID say it was a hard limit..." type stuff. It hasn't happened to me, thankfully, but I'm sure that kind of thing occurs as often for BDSM as it does in vanilla life.

Silliness Digression: I just used "insidious" in a sentence. Go me!

[sidhewolf]

That's funny and made me laugh out loud... because I don't know of a single case where a Dom/me subtly manipulates their submissive. We are quite direct and obvious about how we manipulate submissives.

In fact, I often announce "Of course you realize I'm manipulating you when I said that... and furthermore, I'm manipulating you by telling you that I'm manipulatiing you."

Followed by the inevitable question... "So did that make you wet?"

<Laughs>