Quote Originally Posted by jeanne View Post
I think perhaps I wasn't clear enough in the original post. I'm not talking about those little lies we all tell, little things we hide that become obvious over time...

I'm talking about the big ones. The ones that must be revealed so our Dominants know what the heck is going on with us inside. So they can make informed decisions about how to play with us, train us, treat us. The original example still stands. And I still believe it's abusive on the submissives part.
I Sooo Agree Jeanne! I've seen and heard about the (as one here put it) "the poor little abusing the Big Bad" waaaaaaaay too many times. Seemingly targeting or Blaming the Dominant, who was not given the Correct information to begin with. And it does come in many forms, not just dishonesty, or lies per se'. It comes in the form of manipulation, Topping from the bottom, not Listening/ignoring, not Communicating Openly and Honestly, setting the Dominant up to fall and/or fail. And Thir's response is a great example of the extreme's this can go to.

I've seen many times a Relationship between Dominant and Submissive fail because of the so called Submissive's actions. Submissive's who set themselves and their Dominant's up, and then cry Abuse of the Dominant as the reason. There are at least as many Poor "Big Bad's" as there are "Poor Little's" out there. And I think it's Wisdom to Realize the Truth of this.

Respectfully~SidheWolf