Topping from the Bottom?

[denuseri]

Well everyone has thier opinion as they say.........lol

<<is a slave, more so a kajira

which is far beyound any "doormat" around.

If I top from the bottom it is only becuase my owner allows it.

I know full well his will can crush mine easily. Yet I also know he wants a spirited girl not some foot rest that would easily boor him.

That being said, it is also my duty to push, we are in a way at war my Owner and I.

Even though I am forced to yield in the end everytime it doesnt mean the struggle for dominance ends the first time I am put on my knees, oh nooo, thats is only the begining.

Say what you want about topping from the bottom. I believe it is a natural part of the poccess.

It is my humble experienced opinion the only ones bitching about it are the not so dominant people that like to call themselves as such even though they really are not.

A weak dominant often doesnt know how to handle a real challenge, and often times a lazy one that is also weak , is the only kind that desires a "doormat" as opposed to any challenge at all.

'"There is a difference' laughed Hassan, 'between the pride of a free woman and the pride of the slave girl. The pride of a free woman is the pride of a woman who feels herself to be the equal of a man.
The pride of the slave girl is the pride of the girl who knows that no other woman is the equal of herself.' " Tribesmen of Gor, page 333

[Kahlann]

denuseri, I always love reading your posts. Informative, well thought out, and colorful... oh the color.

[Arria]

if you expect the Dom/me to gratify you the way you want when you want, then you are topping from the bottom,

Very well put, rachel, I see it the same way.

I had no idea there were different perceptions of "topping from the bottom".

Frankly, I am horrified that any sub should consider it out of place to voice feelings/likes/dislikes of any sort with her dom.
Equally crazy in my eyes is the idea that a sub should not speak up if she is afraid of, or terribly uncomfortable, with anything.
I also agree to the statement that doms are not able to read minds (even though some are so good in judging their sub´s reactions that they manage to get rather close to a mind-reading effect).

So I will just describe what I see as topping from the bottom, and how I go about it.
I usually do it when I am underplayed. To clarify: My dom does not feel like playing when he is stressed. I am the complete opposite. Far from providing only some superficial sexual gratification, a scene reduces my stress levels and frees my mind of things that bother me. If I am not played with for too long a period of time, I become moody, everything is getting on my nerves, I get extremely short-tempered, and this can go on to a level that makes it hard even for myself to "be in my skin".

Now, as we all know, hard times usually affect a couple equally (at least, if you are together in r/l). It happens that I go unplayed with longer than is comfortable or durable for me. It is in such situations that I try and get my dom play with me.
And here is where rachel´s statement kicks in. My dom and I have been together close to 11 years now. This means he knows me very well, he knows what I like best, he knows what I hate, and he knows what will get the desired effect out of me.
My favourite toy is the single tail. Now if I either tease him or simply say that I am underplayed and feel absolutely horrible, he could simply take my favourite toy and beat the crap out of me.
While I would probably enjoy this for the moment, it would also create a loss of respect on my side, because he allowed me to manipulate him into simply doing what I want at that moment.
Hence, what he does in such situations, is give me something. Something that - if he is stressed - does not take much of an effort for him, but serves the purpose. Sometimes it is something that he likes very much, while I don´t. Much of it goes into the humiliation zone (like a rim job). Some of it is simply plain painful (like dragging me around on my nipples while scolding me for being a nuisance).

While these things might not be what I consider my preferrable actions, they always work out in setting my mind back into a relaxed state, and give me the feeling I am taken care of/being cared about.
It might sound sick, but I have to admit the more un-welcome, painful, and humiliating the action in question feels to me during the scene, the more calm and relaxed I am when it is over.

If, however, I feel that he is in no state to give his heart to a scene, but I need some stress reduction nevertheless, I simply ask for a few hard face slaps, which he does not mind to give, and which do the job perfectly.

As for general talk about likes and dislikes: We usually cover those well in advance of any scene, so they don´t become a problem in the middle of a scene.
It has not happened yet that I was put through an experience that was really too much for me.
If, however, a certain thing happened during a scene that seems overpowering/too hard/too uncomfortable for me, I bring that up during the "after-talk". Though none of those were ever physical/had to do with pain - they usually originate in actions that go into my humiliation zone.

I hope this makes some sense.

[damyanti]

Ok, so I just had to Google "rim job".... (both ways)

A "rim job" is a slang term for analingus. That means oral stimulation of the anus.

A lot of people of all sexual orientations and genders enjoy analingus, but it is a form of oral sex that is very risky in terms of disease transmission. A lot of infections are contracted fecal-orally, like Hepatitis A, shigellosis (particularly caused by Shigella flexneri), pathogenic E. coli, salmonellosis ... the list goes on and on. Microscopic traces of feces on the anus can get into the mouth of the partner giving analingus. If those feces harbor anything particularly pathogenic, that can mean sickness (with diarrhea, bloody diarrhea, vomiting and fevers as major symptoms).

But like I said, a lot of people enjoy analingus. After all, the anus and perineum both have a lot of highly-sensitive nerve endings, and touch stimulation can be sexually pleasurable. Analingus can be done safely if the anus is covered with a dental dam or sheet of plastic cling film. A dental dam is a sheer square sheet of latex. It can be stretched over the anus to keep fecal germs away from the partner performing the analingus. The tongue should only come in contact with the dam or cling film.


No, thank you. LOL
Though you totally rock Arria, .

[Arria]

lol. We are sexually exclusive, so if one of us had anything like bloody diarrhea or anything similar, that would become obvious in time.

Moreover, in order to do that, I have him go potty before, and then take a long, nice bath, because in an un-washed condition, I have major issues with the... um... smell. *shudders again*

[Arria]

Sorry, double post.

[Kahlann]

I didn't know this had become an infectious diseases class lol.

Arria, thank you for such a detailed post. My dom is just getting into dominating someone, and often I find I'm the one calling the shots. It's a little frustrating but I'm hopeful he can learn how to contain my wild streak.

[denuseri]

Ok, so I just had to Google "rim job".... (both ways)

A "rim job" is a slang term for analingus. That means oral stimulation of the anus.

A lot of people of all sexual orientations and genders enjoy analingus, but it is a form of oral sex that is very risky in terms of disease transmission. A lot of infections are contracted fecal-orally, like Hepatitis A, shigellosis (particularly caused by Shigella flexneri), pathogenic E. coli, salmonellosis ... the list goes on and on. Microscopic traces of feces on the anus can get into the mouth of the partner giving analingus. If those feces harbor anything particularly pathogenic, that can mean sickness (with diarrhea, bloody diarrhea, vomiting and fevers as major symptoms).

But like I said, a lot of people enjoy analingus. After all, the anus and perineum both have a lot of highly-sensitive nerve endings, and touch stimulation can be sexually pleasurable. Analingus can be done safely if the anus is covered with a dental dam or sheet of plastic cling film. A dental dam is a sheer square sheet of latex. It can be stretched over the anus to keep fecal germs away from the partner performing the analingus. The tongue should only come in contact with the dam or cling film.


No, thank you. LOL
Though you totally rock Arria, .

Actualy when practicing analingus and or ass to mouth with a regular partner in a monogamus relationship taking the proper precautions the risk of getting many of the above are allmost non-existant.

here is but one of many threads on this type of subject for those that are interested.

http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=18694

Just to stay on topic:

Getting your dominant to preform it on you might be considered topping from the bottom by some. LOL.

[BlackDom32]

I for one believe that topping from the bottom is possible and usually in the case where the "bottom" isn't really trying to be submissive, they want the allure of being submissive without actually having to listen. So they manipulate the scene into what they by being disobedient or however they might otherwise manipulate their "master". To some degree I chalk it up to inexperience on one side and an unclear definition of what they actually want on the other.