Quote Originally Posted by lily27 View Post
My line of thinking is a lot closer to Oz's. I wanted to offer the voice of dissent earlier, but couldn't get my thoughts clear enough, so I just let it go.

In my version of D/s, the submissive is not in control, and submission is not a "gift". If it were, then the sub would really be the top, and that just doesn't work for me.

As always, your mileage may vary.

I would indeed call submissiveness a gift. But one from nature. Just like domincance is a gift of nature. It's a way of making life more interesting. It keeps things in balance.

A lot of books, articles, disserations and the lot, have been written about the nature of a Dom/sub relationship.

Like I said before, I feel that it's a Ying and Yang situation. The dominant party gets his/her power from the submission of the other, while the sub has a certain control because it is she/he who has the safe-word.

The sub sets the limits, while the Dom moves within those limits. Should limits be crossed, that's a thing of mutual agreement.

There is not such a thing as a relationship where there are no limits. First and foremost, because no one has a true understanding of what it entices.

Anyway, the debate is an endless one, as everything varies from the standpoint and POV you have, either as a sub or as a Dom.


JJ