Do people 'deserve' universal health care?

[denuseri]

Emplementing a groundbreaking universal health care program like no other in the world; under governmental direction or otherwise, is no different than establishing and maintaining a super power level capable military with no rival or for that matter going to the freaking moon- when you get down to the brass tacks, its just a matter of organization and planning and good ole american ingenuity if we set our minds to the task!

As for weather or not the governement runs it or its made private: American government is run by americans after all is it not?

Ergo just like with other American endeavors the results will be as good as the people doing it insist it to be!

Or are you who are so against it saying that we as Americans (who btw invented a government like no other before it) can't do it, and do it right?

That we have reached our limits as a people when it comes to getting a job done, or finding a better inovation to employ?

Isnt it about time we stopped being complacent and made our government work for us in an area that is just as mutually benificial for us as Americans as the Military is for a change?

[steelish]

Emplementing a groundbreaking universal health care program like no other in the world; under governmental direction or otherwise, is no different than establishing and maintaining a super power level capable military with no rival or for that matter going to the freaking moon- when you get down to the brass tacks, its just a matter of organization and planning and good ole american ingenuity if we set our minds to the task!

As for weather or not the governement runs it or its made private: American government is run by americans after all is it not?

Ergo just like with other American endeavors the results will be as good as the people doing it insist it to be!

Or are you who are so against it saying that we as Americans (who btw invented a government like no other before it) can't do it, and do it right?

That we have reached our limits as a people when it comes to getting a job done, or finding a better inovation to employ?

Isnt it about time we stopped being complacent and made our government work for us in an area that is just as mutually benificial for us as Americans as the Military is for a change?

Wow, seems you've changed your stance on this issue since this thread first started.

The real issue really isn't whether or not we as Americans are capable of implementing a National Health Care Program. The issue is that there are people in power right now that have been in their respective political positions so long that they are out of touch with the American people. AND many of the people in power seem to have a "parental" attitude towards American citizens. If anyone truly believes that the bill won't be used as leverage to instill further restrictions on Americans, they're deluding themselves.

I have no qualms with Health Care Reform. What I do have issues with is the bargaining behind closed doors, the shady deals, the bald-faced lies told to the faces of the American public as they watch speeches on TV. I'm sick of the long-winded speeches with sad-faced children and/or people in lab coats standing behind Obama while he speaks...only to find out through investigation that it's all staged and the lab-coated people were paid to stand there and the sad-faced children are being exploited and the entire story is not being told.

Obama recently had a little boy speak. The boy told of his mother who died because she didn't have health care. It led people to believe that she was denied care. It was an "untruth" because the entire story wasn't told. It turns out this little boy's name is Marcelas. His mother worked for a Jack in the Box and yes, lost her job and therefore her healthcare benefits. She did die. HOWEVER, this mother refused to go to the doctor until it got so bad she ended up in the hospital...and guess what? She got treated WITHOUT HEALTHCARE. Not only that, but she spent weeks in the hospital until she was well enough to go home. She lived for another THREE YEARS. Each time she got sick again, she went back and got treated. Unfortunately, it was terminal and yes, she did die of it...but then, so would someone who had healthcare.

How about the story of a young 22 year old man who was in the hospital in England (National Health Care there) he had been a perfectly healthy kid for a long time, then has this weird thing happen to him, has to take this medication in the hospital, he's really, really thirsty. He gets a little belligerent because he's in the hospital, he's thirsty and he hasn't been given his medication. And at first he's saying, "I need my medication, you guys have to give me my medication". The nurses don't give him the medication. And then he gets wildly thirsty. He calls for help. He actually calls 911. The police come. The police talk to the nurses and the nurses are like, "no, he's crazy". The police leave. Mom comes. She's screaming for help because her son is in total dehydration. The doctor says, "Oh, you're crazy." Finally another doctor comes in, pushes all the alarms. They try to save the kid from dehydration. Nothing. Do you know who gets counseling in the end? Not the mother. The mother doesn't get counseling. The nurses get counseling. The nurses should go to jail.

See, this is what happens. When you have universal healthcare, there is nobody ‑‑ who are you going to run to? Who are you going to run to? Your attorney? Who are you going to sue? The government? Excuse me? Who are you going to sue? Where are you going to go? You have no competition anymore.

[DuncanONeil]

"Americans" do not want Obamacare!!!!

Emplementing a groundbreaking universal health care program like no other in the world; under governmental direction or otherwise, is no different than establishing and maintaining a super power level capable military with no rival or for that matter going to the freaking moon- when you get down to the brass tacks, its just a matter of organization and planning and good ole american ingenuity if we set our minds to the task!

As for weather or not the governement runs it or its made private: American government is run by americans after all is it not?

Ergo just like with other American endeavors the results will be as good as the people doing it insist it to be!

Or are you who are so against it saying that we as Americans (who btw invented a government like no other before it) can't do it, and do it right?

That we have reached our limits as a people when it comes to getting a job done, or finding a better inovation to employ?

Isnt it about time we stopped being complacent and made our government work for us in an area that is just as mutually benificial for us as Americans as the Military is for a change?

[SadisticNature]

"Americans" do not want Obamacare!!!!

So basically if someone disagrees with your statement they are being unamerican, even if they happen to be an American Citizen who wants "Obamacare". I think that's the most anti-democracy statement I've heard in a long long time.