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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaming_Redhead View Post
    There is no conflict in my mind because there is a clear chain of command. God is the CEO. My future husband is the immediate supervisor. On this earth, I am supposed to submit to my own husband who is accountable to God. Therefore, I belong to both of them.
    The important question is WHY you submit. Is it by your own choice? Or is it because some priest/minister/prophet says you're supposed to submit? Just because you may believe you do it because you want to, does not mean you haven't been taught to believe it because someone else wants you to submit. It's a fine line.
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    The important question is WHY you submit. Is it by your own choice? Or is it because some priest/minister/prophet says you're supposed to submit? Just because you may believe you do it because you want to, does not mean you haven't been taught to believe it because someone else wants you to submit. It's a fine line.
    I'm not what you'd call devout, and I can't recall the topic of wives submitting to their husbands ever being brought up until I was already a married adult. It wasn't drilled into me. It resonated with what I already believe.
    Once you put your hand in the flame,
    You can never be the same.
    There's a certain satisfaction
    In a little bit of pain.
    I can see you understand.
    I can tell that you're the same.
    If you're afraid, well, rise above.
    I only hurt the ones I love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaming_Redhead View Post
    I'm not what you'd call devout, and I can't recall the topic of wives submitting to their husbands ever being brought up until I was already a married adult. It wasn't drilled into me. It resonated with what I already believe.
    If that resonates within you, great. I know there are some who truly find themselves through submission to another. Not being the submissive sort I have difficulty understanding it, but I know it's true.
    And I'm sure the subject of wives submitting to their husbands wasn't "drilled into" you. Being a child of the 50's and 60's, I grew up in the prevalent culture of women being housewives and submissive, to some degree. It wasn't preached or taught, it was simply there, absorbed through the culture of the times. It was expected. Girls growing up in that environment had little choice about their future, expecting to become obedient wives and mothers. There are still areas of the US where such environments thrive. Most (though not all) of them are in religious communities, such as the Mormons, Amish, Muslims, even the Catholics. Girls aren't taught that they must be submissive, they are shown it throughout their lives by the adult women around them. So when they grow into adulthood and become women themselves they naturally become what their mother's were. It's subtle but it's relentless, and it can be damned near impossible to break away from such teachings.
    "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
    If that resonates within you, great. I know there are some who truly find themselves through submission to another. Not being the submissive sort I have difficulty understanding it, but I know it's true.
    And I'm sure the subject of wives submitting to their husbands wasn't "drilled into" you. Being a child of the 50's and 60's, I grew up in the prevalent culture of women being housewives and submissive, to some degree. It wasn't preached or taught, it was simply there, absorbed through the culture of the times. It was expected. Girls growing up in that environment had little choice about their future, expecting to become obedient wives and mothers. There are still areas of the US where such environments thrive. Most (though not all) of them are in religious communities, such as the Mormons, Amish, Muslims, even the Catholics. Girls aren't taught that they must be submissive, they are shown it throughout their lives by the adult women around them. So when they grow into adulthood and become women themselves they naturally become what their mother's were. It's subtle but it's relentless, and it can be damned near impossible to break away from such teachings.
    I actually LOL'd. My mother came of age in the '70s. She's a feminist, going so far as to say Paul's teachings aren't necessarily doctrine. She has looked at me on more than one occasion and wondered aloud if there wasn't some mix up at the hospital.....hahahahaha!
    Once you put your hand in the flame,
    You can never be the same.
    There's a certain satisfaction
    In a little bit of pain.
    I can see you understand.
    I can tell that you're the same.
    If you're afraid, well, rise above.
    I only hurt the ones I love.

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