Religion and M/s relasionship

[13'sbadkitty]

Well, you go right on thanking your god, then, and I'll go right on congratulating you for your work.


But that's just it! Love is an emotional response, brought about by hormones and our own minds. If you wish to think of that as spiritual then go right ahead. To me, though, spiritual implies something from beyond the body, from beyond the natural. It is by definition supernatural. I have never witnessed or experienced anything supernatural. At best, I may have experienced something for which I may not have had an explanation at the time. That makes it unknown, not supernatural.

You know what? There are just too many things out there that can't be explained in scientific terms or that science hasn't been able to solve. While I very much appreciate the congrats for staying clean, I do put a dramatic amount of work into it. The work goes into helping others in large part as you have said way above, but also into clearing away closed mindedness, resentments and fear through a relationship with God as I understand him...could totally be anything at all and I guess if science can come in between someone and a drink or a drug then cool! I am so pleased that I have a hgher power that is more comforting to me than that, but thats what I need.

[Thorne]

You know what? There are just too many things out there that can't be explained in scientific terms or that science hasn't been able to solve.

Hasn't been able to solve YET. Science keeps on working, learning, evolving. Is it possible to learn everything about everything? I doubt it very much. There's just too much universe out there, too much time that has passed, too many barriers in the way.

But that doesn't mean we must decide that anything we don't know must be because of God. And even if it WERE caused by a god, how could we know that it was YOUR god, your particular definition of a supernatural being? We cannot. It can only be taken on faith, without evidence. I don't have that faith. I need evidence. And given the lack of evidence, despite the efforts of believers since the dawn of religions, I am comfortable in saying that there are probably no gods.

I am so pleased that I have a hgher power that is more comforting to me than that, but thats what I need.

And I am happy that you have that faith to sustain you. I would not try to take that from you. All I'm saying is that you need to give yourself more credit than you seem to want to do.