Thorne, i actually have walked away from God...didn't change the fact that God was there for me (knew you wouldn't be able to resist this thread ; ) ) and despite the fact that children grow up and move on with their lives (god willing.. ), their parents are still their parents and as you said that relationship changes so has my relationship with god. My Master owns my body by my compliance, and if he became unhealthy for me in such a way that he endangers my health or safety, or that of my kids I would be forced to leave. My dependance upon God is not such that i sit home on my knees waiting for commands to do as i am bidden. It is something that gives me purpose and hope and honestly i don't know that i could hope to find words to explain to you why its a good thing knowing how you feel about the topic. I have no issue continuing the topic if you wish, i just don't want to hijack the thread.