Quote Originally Posted by 13'sbadkitty View Post
As of yet science has not been able to help us. There is not treatment for us that has been successful for most of us outside of AA and that is a simple, spiritual program and those are the miracles i see.
I'm not familiar with the AA program, except in a very general sense, but it's my understanding that the real help there comes from interacting with others like yourself. Basically using psychological/sociological tools (which I would classify as soft sciences) to treat what is basically an emotional/psychological problem. (The physical addiction can only be treated through abstinence, which the program helps you maintain.) I'm sure the same results could be (probably have been) achieved without the religious/spiritual overlay. So really, no miracle. Just science.

I have 3 kids and the miracle of this astounds me constantly.
I have two kids, and now two brand new grandkids. I see the same awesome, wonderful beauty that you do. But I see it as all natural, nothing spiritual about it. That doesn't make it any less beautiful, or any less wonderful. But it's not miraculous.

why?
Why do I five you full credit? Because I see that you have done it all yourself. Certainly you had help from the program. But without doing all of the work, without attending the meetings, without the desire to better yourself, the program could not have done anything. YOU did it, and you deserve the credit. Giving the credit to your god or your religion is only telling yourself that you aren't capable of helping yourself, something which I will not believe.