Okay, I don't really agree here. I may lose a lot of friends or respect but I feel that a Dom has to push some of the limits.

Anyone that has taken my hard limit questionaire hopefully learned something about themselves. I have found that subs set a lot of hard limits that are areas that they secretly want to go. I bet that I am not the only Dom that has had this experience.

So I think that a Dom trying to really learn his sub/slave actual limits has to at least brush each one, except of course those that are also his hard limits. When doing this I have to be hyper aware of everything about her and back totally away if she responds badly. I also do things verbally to test these limits again to find which are actually ones that she feels are so perverted that they scare her more then she is willing to admit to that dark want.

A sub I took a while ago had a bunch of these limits listed before we started. One was no chains during bondage, of course she started with I have to have one hand free at all times and tath limit she ask me to break our first night. Any ways after a while I brought out my chains while she was tied spread eagle to the bed and layed them across her on the bed. She instantly went back into subspace. Now that sub begs for chains and needs them on her body while feeling how strong they are and how impossible it would be to break free. If I had left that one untouched she would have missed out on a thrill that she loves very much.

Now would I deliberately push a sub/slave to break a hard limit no never but would I test each one softly and subtle, damn right I will.

Oh if she has a hard limit with a hard reason that it is a limit then no I would not go there at all.

Russell