The Church orders Wives to Submit to their Husbands

[denuseri]

If that’s how they like to do things in that particular community or church or whatever that’s their business as far as I am concerned. So long as one is in accordance with the laws of one's society and not causing others harm I pretty much believe in do as thou wilt.

If its one asshole going against his religions current interpretation of dogma or biblical lore etc, I am sure that the respective elders of his organization will censure him when they see fit. (Same goes for his government)

As far as the church, well churches come and go, things change, but as for debating weather or not human spiritualism has a place in modern society or not…that points pretty much moot, its here, just like its always been here in one form or another and probably going to stay here (unless forced underground for a while as has happened in some atheist driven communist nations in the past only to re-emerge later), its perfectly natural for some form of spirituality to exist in human beings, one might even go so far as to say its hardwired into us (at least that’s what they are beginning to find out; that most if not all of the behavioral functions of our body and mind's physiology are a direct result of our related anatomical structures).

Regardless of cultural influence, who chooses to submit to whom and when, has always been decided on an individual situational basis and although some biological factors play a much larger role in it than we would most likely wish to admit its still a much more fluid dynamic dependent upon much more than the will of one vicar over his congregation (half of which apparently told him to “go to hell” when they heard him anyway)

[Thorne]

If that’s how they like to do things in that particular community or church or whatever that’s their business as far as I am concerned. So long as one is in accordance with the laws of one's society and not causing others harm I pretty much believe in do as thou wilt.

And what if the men of the community agree, but the women do not? Who do you think gets the choice? Would the men allow the women to leave the church and form their own? I kind of doubt it. "Do as thou wilt" has to apply to everyone, male and female.

as for debating weather or not human spiritualism has a place in modern society or not…that points pretty much moot, its here, just like its always been here in one form or another and probably going to stay here (unless forced underground for a while as has happened in some atheist driven communist nations in the past only to re-emerge later), its perfectly natural for some form of spirituality to exist in human beings, one might even go so far as to say its hardwired into us (at least that’s what they are beginning to find out; that most if not all of the behavioral functions of our body and mind's physiology are a direct result of our related anatomical structures).

Yes, they are beginning to learn that spirituality is an evolved trait of the human mind, possibly incurring some kind of survival advantage. No one's quite sure how, but it does seem true.

But spirituality and faith are not the same as church and religion. Spirituality and faith involve your personal beliefs and relationship with your god, if any. Church and religion are about trying to get everyone to believe the same thing. While good for bringing people together, they are not so good for independent thought. And a weekly community party would be just as good at bringing people together, and probably be much more enjoyable.

(half of which apparently told him to “go to hell” when they heard him anyway)

I suspect this would be the reaction of my wife, as well. I would be more than happy to have her submit and keep silent. Some day, when I'm tired of living, I might even tell her so!