The Human Rights of Child Killers.

[Snark]

Part of the problem in the US is that it is the CRIMINAL Justice System, not the VICTIM Justice System. Thus all of the emphasis is on whether the criminal's rights are protected, not the victim's. Too often the ones who perpetrate the worst crimes have no sense of moral compass. The criminal may intellectually know of the difference between right and wrong, but don't care. They consider that little nicety to be someone else's concern. Thus WHEN they get out; because most of them do, they simply go back to doing it again. This is a growing problem; this behavior is learned at a young age by those whose parents (or parent) did not instill it in while they were very young. Thus there is no mental connection between bad behavior and the societal consequences that will result. The revolving door keeps spinning; more and more enter the system. The victim is left injured with no recompense; worse after the perpetrator is released he may return to finish the job but being even more pissed off than before. Again, how do you RE-habiltate someone who was never habilitated to begin with? The worse of these are the pedophiles who have the added twist of hormonal pressure as well as the criminal desire. The recidivism rate for child molesters is in the high ninety percentages, likewise high for rapists. Rape is a crime of violence, rather than just sex, but the sexual aspect feeds the hormones that fuel the rage. A vicious circle that is inflicted upon the unsuspecting victim. But she has little opportunity to find closure short of executing the perpetrator. Castration as a part of the punishment is feasible; but unconstitutional. Ted Bundy blamed porn for his crimes, some people actually believed him. He was a sociopath, a congenital liar, a self obsessed egomaniac, yet people believed his bullshit about it all being the fault of reading the Playboy mags he found under his father's bed. I agree with Ian - at that point they have forfeited all "human" rights; they have abandoned their humanity. They are rabid. There is some evidence that public executions will turn around youthful offenders who are both aware and intelligent enough to recognize that they don't want to end up there. It also feeds the prurient interests and excites the mentally twisted who wish to have their 15 minutes of fame by performing in a similar role. Two legged animals are remarkably intriguing.

[IAN 2411]

And finally, if we go too far into the revenge tracks, we end up becomming what we fight. We've seen draconical treatmen during the ages: burning, dismembering, impailing, starving to death - should we have those back, and how long would it be before those punishments were not only for the worst crimes?

No one is saying bring those back, what I am saying is the punishments do not fit the crime.

I think there is a reason why it is the judges meeting out punishment, and not the victims. You cannot expect the victims to keep an even head.

In the UK nearly all the judges that came through the old boys club have no idea what justice is, because they are too busy worrying about contravening the human rights act. The problem is that the UK judges have not got the balls to give the sentences that the public is demanding. The harshest of crimes should warrant the harshest of punishment.

Be Well IAN 2411

[thir]

In the UK nearly all the judges that came through the old boys club have no idea what justice is, because they are too busy worrying about contravening the human rights act. The problem is that the UK judges have not got the balls to give the sentences that the public is demanding. The harshest of crimes should warrant the harshest of punishment.
Be Well IAN 2411

I understand your feelings, but have to protest against public mob rule or the press meeting out justice.

[thir]

Part of the problem in the US is that it is the CRIMINAL Justice System, not the VICTIM Justice System.

Then shouldn't we all have a victim justice system and a protecting society system? Seems a lot more useful.

Too often the ones who perpetrate the worst crimes have no sense of moral compass. The criminal may intellectually know of the difference between right and wrong, but don't care. They consider that little nicety to be someone else's concern. Thus WHEN they get out; because most of them do, they simply go back to doing it again. This is a growing problem; this behavior is learned at a young age by those whose parents (or parent) did not instill it in while they were very young. Thus there is no mental connection between bad behavior and the societal consequences that will result. The revolving door keeps spinning; more and more enter the system.

So, short of killing them, I can only see working with them as an option to prevent repetition. As Leo9 pointed out, it is in fact the only way that actually works.
People keep seeing that as being easy on the criminals, instead of perhaps seeing it as in society's interest.

The victim is left injured with no recompense;

And that is more important than punishment. What I mean is, the interest of the victim should come first.

worse after the perpetrator is released he may return to finish the job but being even more pissed off than before. Again, how do you RE-habiltate someone who was never habilitated to begin with?

I guess you have try to teach make them citizens in all aspects of the word. At least with the first timers.

The worse of these are the pedophiles who have the added twist of hormonal pressure as well as the criminal desire. The recidivism rate for child molesters is in the high ninety percentages, likewise high for rapists. Rape is a crime of violence, rather than just sex, but the sexual aspect feeds the hormones that fuel the rage.

Surely here, more than in any other circumstance, help is vital. For all future potential victims, I mean.

A vicious circle that is inflicted upon the unsuspecting victim. But she has little opportunity to find closure short of executing the perpetrator

Why will that bring more closure than seeing the peretrator in jail?

Ted Bundy blamed porn for his crimes, some people actually believed him.

I agree that is amazing!

I agree with Ian - at that point they have forfeited all "human" rights;

A very dangerous line of thinking - 'human rights' are only for the deserving.

There is some evidence that public executions will turn around youthful offenders who are both aware and intelligent enough to recognize that they don't want to end up there. It also feeds the prurient interests and excites the mentally twisted who wish to have their 15 minutes of fame by performing in a similar role. Two legged animals are remarkably intriguing.

Too much like becomming what you fight I think.