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    this is a pathetically stupid argument you're making
    yes, there are machines that allow women to do jobs that men can do. a woman can operate a forklift just like a man. then next time you move, instead hiring movers, rent a forklift if you feel the need to
    Or maybe if I'm unconscious in a burning building, and the average female fire fighter can't pick my limp body up, should she just call ahead for a forklift or the jaws of life?
    and no, women cannot fight just as long as men can and just as hard as men can, but because you seem to love living in a nice, oblivious place, i'll spell it out for you why:
    1) upon completion of basic training, the average male can throw a grenade 40 yards, and a female can throw it 15 yards. a grenade's blast radius is about 15 yards
    2) women have lower bone density, and a statistically significant portion of women fail to complete basic training because of stress fractures that come from heavy physical exertion
    3) a statistically significant portion of women are combat ineffective during their periods
    and while israel may conscript women, they rarely, if ever, serve on front line duty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Punish_her View Post
    this is a pathetically stupid argument you're making
    yes, there are machines that allow women to do jobs that men can do. a woman can operate a forklift just like a man. then next time you move, instead hiring movers, rent a forklift if you feel the need to
    Or maybe if I'm unconscious in a burning building, and the average female fire fighter can't pick my limp body up, should she just call ahead for a forklift or the jaws of life?
    and no, women cannot fight just as long as men can and just as hard as men can, but because you seem to love living in a nice, oblivious place, i'll spell it out for you why:
    1) upon completion of basic training, the average male can throw a grenade 40 yards, and a female can throw it 15 yards. a grenade's blast radius is about 15 yards
    2) women have lower bone density, and a statistically significant portion of women fail to complete basic training because of stress fractures that come from heavy physical exertion
    3) a statistically significant portion of women are combat ineffective during their periods
    and while israel may conscript women, they rarely, if ever, serve on front line duty
    "From the beginning of the 1970s, most Western armies began to admit women to serve active duty.[2] Only some of them permit women to fill active combat roles, including Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, Germany, Norway, Israel, Serbia, Sweden and Switzerland."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_military

    In Russia they have done it for ages. Also, women were serving on the convoys during ww2, where many ships and lives were lost.

    I am no friend of war, which in most cases are idiotic in the extreme and not neccesary. But if men are drafted, women should be too. Equal rights, equal responsibilities.

    I do not like the draft etiher. I think people should vote whether they want to go to war or not, if they agree with it or not. to be forced to fight for something you might think is stupid or maybe just plain wrong, is not democratic.

    As for non-military uprisings or revolutions, women are have been there in a many cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Punish_her View Post
    Or maybe if I'm unconscious in a burning building, and the average female fire fighter can't pick my limp body up, should she just call ahead for a forklift or the jaws of life?
    The average female firefighter can pick your limp body up. If she couldn't, she wouldn't have qualified for the job.

    You're making the textbook mistake of confusing the average with the individual. On average, women are better at organisation, but that doesn't mean you should be ruled out from any administrative post because of your sex. You might be as good as a woman...
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    Quote Originally Posted by leo9 View Post
    The average female firefighter can pick your limp body up. If she couldn't, she wouldn't have qualified for the job.

    You're making the textbook mistake of confusing the average with the individual. On average, women are better at organisation, but that doesn't mean you should be ruled out from any administrative post because of your sex. You might be as good as a woman...
    this assumes that the qualifications are the same for men and women. in chicago, due to political pressure and accusations of discrimination, the fire department had to remove whole sections of the test to allow more females to pass. in the us military, at every age bracket, men are required to perform at least double the amount of pushups as women, and run 2 miles in at least 3 less minutes.
    while some women undoubtedly can perform as well as men, they are in the extreme minority, and it usually requires much more taining to bring them up to the same level as men.
    west point monitors the physical progress of cadets, and not only do men enter with more physical ability, when they graduate, that gap has actually widened.
    and yes, i hope i would not be ruled out of administration jobs because of my sex, but it would be just as wrong to lower my standards because i am a man

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